Solving an Integral Involving ∫(4x)/(x2+9) dx

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The discussion revolves around the integral ∫(4x)/(x²+9) dx, focusing on the methods of integration and the potential presence of arctan in the solution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of u-substitution as an approach to solve the integral, questioning the necessity of arctan in the solution. There are discussions about the derivative of the arctan function and its relevance to the integral at hand.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants clarifying the correctness of the original integral and discussing alternative methods, such as trigonometric substitution. Some express confusion about the tutor's suggestion regarding arctan, while others affirm the validity of the initial approach.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing opinions on the method of integration, with some participants recalling advice from a tutoring center that conflicts with the current discussion. The potential for misunderstanding in the application of arctan is noted.

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Homework Statement


∫(4x)/(x2+9) dx

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The Attempt at a Solution


Originally I tried to solve with u substitution:

u=x2+9
du=2x dx
1/2du=dx
∫2/u
=2lnu+C
=2ln(x2+9)+C

But shouldn't arctan be somewhere in the answer?
 
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Oops, I made a typo.
1/2xdu=dx
 
What's the derivative of an arctan function?

In any event, if you differentiate your answer, you should obtain the original integrand.
 
Is it (1/1+x2)?
 
jdawg said:
Is it (1/1+x2)?

Yes, assuming you meant ##\frac{1}{1+x^2}##, because your parentheses are placed wrongly. But ##\frac{x}{1+x^2}## is a completely different expression from ##\frac{1}{1+x^2}##. In this case, you have something more like the former. Hence no arctan in the integral.
 
But I don't understand why u substitution doesn't work?
 
jdawg said:
But I don't understand why u substitution doesn't work?

Who said it doesn't work? Your integral in the first post is correct.
 
Curious3141 said:
Who said it doesn't work? Your integral in the first post is correct.

Really?? When I went to a tutoring center at my university the tutor told me that I needed to use arctan? Or was she just saying that its another method of doing it?
 
jdawg said:
Really?? When I went to a tutoring center at my university the tutor told me that I needed to use arctan? Or was she just saying that its another method of doing it?
No. She was saying it because she was wrong.
 
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Chestermiller said:
No. She was saying it because she was wrong.

Hahaha! Thanks for your help everybody :)
 
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To be fair, it's possible that by "use arctan" the tutor meant to use a trig sub ##\tan\theta=x##, which would be the same as ##u=\arctan x##. This would work, though it'd most definitely be a more involved approach than the simple u-sub suggested in the thread.
 

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