Solving Cubic Equation: x^3 - kx + (k + 11) = 0

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The discussion revolves around solving the cubic equation x^3 - kx + (k + 11) = 0, specifically finding all integer values of k for which the equation has at least one positive integer solution for x. The conversation includes both graphical and algebraic approaches to the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Taran, shares their findings from graphing the equation, suggesting that k must be greater than 17 or less than -11.
  • Another participant provides an algebraic method to derive k in terms of n, stating that for n (a positive integer solution), k can be expressed as k = (n^3 + 11) / (n - 1), requiring n - 1 to be a factor of 12 for k to be an integer.
  • The same participant presents a table of possible values for n and corresponding k values, concluding that the only possible integer values for k are 19, 25, 34, 59, and 184, which align with Taran's condition that k > 17.
  • Taran expresses gratitude for the algebraic explanation and acknowledges its clarity in addressing the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the condition that k must be greater than 17 based on the graphical analysis and the algebraic findings. However, there is no explicit consensus on the complete characterization of k, as Taran's initial suggestion of k < -11 is not addressed further in the responses.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of k < -11, and the algebraic method relies on the factorization of 12, which may limit the scope of integer solutions considered.

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Hi, this question was in a year 11 extension maths textbook in the enrichment section. I have the answer as k>17 and k<-11 because I graphed it on GeoGebra. The Graph can be found here: https://ggbm.at/xpegwwtq. While I know the answers I would like to know how to work it out using algebra.

Here is the Question:
Consider the cubic equation x^3 - kx + (k + 11) = 0, find all the integer values of k for which the equation has at least one positive integer solution for x

Thanks, Taran
 
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Taran said:
Hi, this question was in a year 11 extension maths textbook in the enrichment section. I have the answer as k>17 and k<-11 because I graphed it on GeoGebra. The Graph can be found here: https://ggbm.at/xpegwwtq. While I know the answers I would like to know how to work it out using algebra.

Here is the Question:
Consider the cubic equation x^3 - kx + (k + 11) = 0, find all the integer values of k for which the equation has at least one positive integer solution for x

Thanks, Taran
Hi Taran, and welcome to MHB.

If $x=n$ is a positive integer solution of the equation, then $n^3 - kn + k + 11 = 0$, so that $$k = \frac{n^3+11}{n-1} = \frac{(n-1)(n^2+n+1) + 12}{n-1} = n^2+n+1 + \frac{12}{n-1}.$$ For that to be an integer, $n-1$ must be a factor of $12$. You can then tabulate the possible values of $n$ and $k = \frac{n^3+11}{n-1}$, as follows: $$ \begin{array}{c|cccccc} n-1&1&2&3&4&6&12 \\ n&2&3&4&5&7&13 \\ k&19&19&25&34&59&184 \end{array}.$$ So the only possible values for $k$ are $19,\ 25,\ 34,\ 59,\ 184$ (which all agree with your condition that $k>17$).
 
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Opalg said:
Hi Taran, and welcome to MHB.

If $x=n$ is a positive integer solution of the equation, then $n^3 - kn + k + 11 = 0$, so that $$k = \frac{n^3+11}{n-1} = \frac{(n-1)(n^2+n+1) + 12}{n-1} = n^2+n+1 + \frac{12}{n-1}.$$ For that to be an integer, $n-1$ must be a factor of $12$. You can then tabulate the possible values of $n$ and $k = \frac{n^3+11}{n-1}$, as follows: $$ \begin{array}{c|cccccc} n-1&1&2&3&4&6&12 \\ n&2&3&4&5&7&13 \\ k&19&19&25&34&59&184 \end{array}.$$ So the only possible values for $k$ are $19,\ 25,\ 34,\ 59,\ 184$ (which all agree with your condition that $k>17$).

Hello, Chris! (Wave)

This question was posted on another site, and I found your reply so insightful, I took the liberty of posting it there, for the benefit of several there trying to solve it. :)
 
Hi, Thank you so much! This question had my class stumped. That answer makes so much sense. It's been bugging me for a while and I'm very thankful for your help.

Thanks again, Taran
 

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