Solving Dimension Analysis Homework: Q1 & Q2

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around dimensional analysis in the context of a physics problem involving variables u, q, and t, as well as their relationships. Participants are attempting to understand how to differentiate expressions involving these variables and apply the chain rule appropriately.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the application of the chain rule in differentiation and how to express variables in terms of others. There is confusion regarding the correct substitution of variables and the implications of treating q1 as a function of x and t.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the steps to take, including the need to consider all variables involved when differentiating. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the complexity of the relationships between variables and the implications of their substitutions. There is mention of the need to rewrite expressions for q1 in terms of t, which raises questions about the validity of that approach.

dirk_mec1
Messages
755
Reaction score
13

Homework Statement



http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8495/88748860vk8.png

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know how to deal with the q1 part. q2 = u* =u x sqrt(... so that is clear.

Normally I just substitute the expression for u in terms of u* (= f* )and t in terms of t* in [tex]\frac{ du }{dt }[/tex] but how should I deal with the differentiation of the q1 -term?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
You have to use the chain rule for that.
 
Tom Mattson said:
You have to use the chain rule for that.

To be honest I don't how to begin. I have this:

[tex]u= \frac{u_0 \sqrt{q}f^*}{x}[/tex]

[tex]t = \frac{x^2}{qk}[/tex]


so [tex]\frac{du}{dt} = ?[/tex]
 
OK, follow these steps.

1.) As directed, assume that [itex]q_2=f^*(q_1)[/itex]. So [itex]f^*[/itex] is a function of [itex]q_1=x^2/kt[/itex].

2.) Solve [itex]q_2=u\sqrt{kt}/u_0[/itex] for [itex]u[/itex]. Identify [itex]q_2[/itex] with [itex]f^*[/itex] at this point.

By now you should have the following result.

[tex]u(x,t)=\frac{u_0}{\sqrt{kt}}f^*\left(\frac{x^2}{kt}\right)[/tex]

Now you can take partial derivatives with respect to [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]t[/itex] until your heart's content. And as I said before, you'll need the chain rule to do it.

Try that and let us know if you get stuck again.
 
Tom your approach does work I found out after 2 full pages of writing. But what I don't understand is where my approach is going wrong. You see I just used the usual method in dimensional analysis. Writing u in terms of u* and t in terms of t* and calculating the derative.

If you calculate it you'll see that u* = f* but then things get nasty because there is no t*. So what I did was rewrite the expression for q1 in terms of t. Why is that approach wrong?
 
The problem there is that q_1 is a function of x and t. If you're going to plug u(x,t) into the heat equation then you have to see all of those hidden x's and t's, because you are taking partial derivatives of u.

dirk_mec1 said:
[tex]u= \frac{u_0 \sqrt{q}f^*}{x}[/tex]

That q under the square root sign should be q_1. Substitute the expression for q_1 in there and you'll get what I got.

[tex]u= \frac{u_0 \sqrt{q_1}f^*\left(q_1\right)}{x}[/tex]

[tex]u= \frac{u_0 \sqrt{\frac{x^2}{kt}}f^*\left(\frac{x^2}{kt}\right)}{x}[/tex]

[tex]u= \frac{u_0}{\sqrt{kt}}f^*\left(\frac{x^2}{kt}\right)}[/tex]
 

Similar threads

Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 38 ·
2
Replies
38
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K