Solving for Constant Centripetal Acceleration: Understanding Spiral Motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of maintaining constant centripetal acceleration for an object moving in a spiral path while it is also accelerating in its forward motion. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and types of spirals that could achieve this condition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that to maintain constant centripetal acceleration while an object accelerates, it must follow a spiral path where the radius increases as speed increases.
  • Another participant suggests a differential equation to describe the motion, indicating a combination of tangential and radial accelerations.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on the notation used in the proposed equation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the components of acceleration, distinguishing between tangential and radial components.
  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the formula for a spiral that maintains constant centripetal acceleration after solving the integral.
  • A later reply reiterates the need to keep the radial acceleration constant to achieve the desired spiral motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints on how to derive the spiral formula and maintain constant centripetal acceleration, indicating that there is no consensus on the approach or solution at this time.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the mathematical steps necessary to derive the spiral formula, and there are dependencies on specific definitions and assumptions regarding acceleration components.

Ale98
Assume an object accelerating at a certain value dV/dt. If this object was traveling in a circular motion the centripetal force would increase as the object moves faster.
To maintain centripetal acceleration constant while the object is accelerating (in its forward motion dV/dt) I think it would need to follow some sort of spiral path so that after a certain time the object would be traveling faster however the radius also increases.

Does anybody know what type of spiral would keep centripetal acceleration constant? What formula would this spiral have?

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
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The differential equation should be

\dot v = a_t \cdot \frac{v}{{\left| v \right|}} + a_r \cdot \frac{{n \times v}}{{\left| {n \times v} \right|}}

but I'm too lazy to solve it.

edit: equation amended for a spiral in a plane with the normal n
 
In your equation is ˙v=at

Just to make sure i understood your notation
 
The acceleration ##\dot v## is the sum of tangential ##a_t \cdot \frac{v}{{\left| v \right|}}## (= your dV/dt) and the radial acceleration ##a_r \cdot \frac{{n \times v}}{{\left| {n \times v} \right|}}## (= centripetal acceleration).
 
Okay, but I am confused on how I can find the formula for a spiral to keep centripetal acceleration constant after I solve the integral.
 
Ale98 said:
Okay, but I am confused on how I can find the formula for a spiral to keep centripetal acceleration constant after I solve the integral.

Just keep ##a_r## constant.
 

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