MHB Solving for Primes and Evens: $x^n+x^{n-1}+\cdots+x+1=y^2+y+1$

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The discussion focuses on finding all prime numbers \(x\) and \(y\), as well as even integers \(n > 2\), that satisfy the equation \(x^n + x^{n-1} + \cdots + x + 1 = y^2 + y + 1\). An elementary method for solving this equation is presented, which builds on previous contributions. The thread highlights the importance of collaboration in problem-solving, as noted by a participant thanking Thomas for his well-written solution. The challenge emphasizes the intersection of number theory and algebra. Overall, the conversation aims to deepen understanding of this mathematical problem.
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Find all primes $x$ and $y$ and even numbers $n>2$ satisfying the equation $x^n+x^{n-1}+\cdots+x+1=y^2+y+1$.
 
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First of all, note that since $n > 2$ we must have $x \ne y$ since equality cannot be achieved if $x = y$. Now let $x, y$ be distinct primes and $n > 2$ be an even integer such that the equation holds.

<insert proof that $x = 2$ here; my previous proof was flawed>

... therefore $x = 2$. Now observe that:
$$x^n + x^{n - 1} + \cdots + 1 = \frac{x^{n + 1} - 1}{x - 1}$$
Therefore:
$$2^n + 2^{n - 1} + \cdots + 1 = 2^{n + 1} - 1$$
So that we are now solving the following equation for $y$ an odd prime (recall $x \ne y$) and $n > 2$ integer:
$$2^{n + 1} - 1 = y^2 + y + 1 ~ ~ ~ \iff ~ ~ ~ y^2 + y + \left ( 2 - 2^{n + 1} \right ) = 0$$
Using the quadratic equation discarding the negative solution we find:
$$y = \frac{-1 + \sqrt{1 - 4 \left ( 2 - 2^{n + 1} \right )}}{2} = \frac{\sqrt{2^{n + 3} - 7} - 1}{2}$$
We are therefore now solving the diophantine equation in $n > 2$ and $z$ given by:
$$2^{n + 3} - 7 = z^2$$
This is a variant of the Ramanujan-Nagell equation given by $2^m - 7 = x^2$, and its solutions are in one to one correspondence with the solutions to our equation, by a direct change of variables $(m, x) \to (n + 3, z)$. It is known that the Ramanujan-Nagell equation has only five solutions in $m$, given by $m = 3, 4, 5, 7, 15$. These translate to $n = 0, 1, 2, 4, 12$, of which only the solutions $n = 4$ and $n = 12$ are admissible. Working backwards, this gives:
$$n = 4 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ z = 11 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ y = 5$$
$$n = 12 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ z = 181 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ y = 90$$
But $y = 90$ isn't prime, and so does not satisfy the conditions, and we therefore conclude that the only solution $(x, y, n)$ is $(2, 5, 4)$.


Okay, so using Ramanujan-Nagell was a bit of a cop-out, I guess. I have a proof of it in front of me and it's not what I would call elementary, and I'd be interested to see solutions that don't need to invoke it, especially since I didn't manage to prove that there are no other solutions with $x \ne 2$; perhaps the restriction to $y$ being a prime is essential to solving the challenge efficiently... I also just noted that it's easy to show that $n$ must divide $y - 1$, which may hint at an alternative proof!
 
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Thanks, Thomas for your well written solution!:)

I will show an elementary method (provided by other) to solve for this challenge here:

Obviously $x\ne y$.

Rewrite the given equation as

$x(x^{n-1}+x^{n-2}+\cdots+1)=y(y+1)$

If $y\le x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}-1$, then $y<x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}$ and hence we see that $y^2<x^n$.

By adding both inequalities, we obtain:

$y^2+y<x^n+x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}<x^n+x^{n-1}+\cdots+x$ since $n>2$.

It follows that $y\ge x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}$.

Since $n>2$ and is an even number, $\dfrac{n}{2}$ is a natural number larger than 1. This implies that $y\ne x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}$ by the given condition that $y$ is a prime.

We conclude that $y\ge x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+1$.

We may also write the given equation as

$x(x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}-1)(x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+1)=(x-1)y(y+1)$

This shows that $y$ divides $(x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}-1)(x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+1)$. But $y\ge x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+1$ and $y$ is a prime. Hence the only possibility is $y=x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+1$.

This gives

$x(x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}-1)=(x-1)(y+1)=(x-1)(x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+2)$

Simplification leads to $3x=x^{\tiny{\dfrac{n}{2}}}+2$. This shows that $x$ divides 2. Thus, $x=2$ and hence $y=5$, $n=4$.
 
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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