Solving Friedmann's Dust-Filled Equation for Radial Geodesics

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The discussion revolves around solving the Friedmann equation for radial geodesics in a dust-filled universe. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of geodesics, the introduction of proper time, and the relationships between various quantities in the context of general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to introduce proper time and derive the expression for dX/dT from the given Friedmann solution.
  • Another participant clarifies that "radial" implies dO^2 = 0, leading to a simplified metric for the geodesics.
  • It is noted that the relationship for timelike geodesics can be expressed as (dt/dT)^2 = 1 + a^2(dX/dT)^2, with the assumption that (dX/dT) = k/a^2.
  • One participant mentions successfully obtaining the required relation by extremizing the action under X, indicating progress in the problem-solving process.
  • A question is raised regarding the applicability of equating the conserved quantity relating to (dt/dT) to E/m, with a distinction made about its validity in different spacetimes, particularly comparing it to the Schwarzschild metric.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework and the implications of radial geodesics, but there is uncertainty regarding the specific application of conserved quantities across different spacetimes.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the derivation of expressions and the conditions under which certain relationships hold, particularly in relation to the properties of different spacetimes.

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I understand what geodesics are and how to calculate them from Christoffel symbols and all that. But I've just come across a question I have no idea about. I've been given the dust filled Friedmann solution:

ds^2 = -dt^2 + a(t)^2 (dX^2 + X^2 dO^2) (O=omega)

And been told to show that radial geodesics obey:

a^2 (dX/dT) = k where k constant and T is proper time.

And hence (dt/dT)^2 = 1 + k/a^2

How do I introduce proper time? And where to I get an expression for dX/dT from? I'm completely stumped...and help would be much appreciated!
 
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On a timelike worldline, dT^2 = -dt^2.

What does "radial" give you?
 
It should mean that dO^2 = 0 so that there's no angular component to the worldline. So this gives:

ds^2 = -dT^2 + a^2 dX^2

I've also realized that for the second part I can use g(ab)t(a)t(b) = -1 for timelike geodesics, which means that (dt/dT)^2 = 1 + a^2(dX/dT)^2 which gives the second part assuming that (dX/dT) = k/a^2, but I still can't think how to show this first part...
 
bjaw said:
It should mean that dO^2 = 0 so that there's no angular component to the worldline. So this gives:

ds^2 = -dT^2 + a^2 dX^2

I think you meant

ds^2 = -dt^2 + a^2 dX^2.

Using my substitution gives,

-dT^2 = - dt^2 + a^2 dX^2,

which is the same as

I've also realized that for the second part I can use g(ab)t(a)t(b) = -1

but I still can't think how to show this first part...

Even though it's for a different situation, https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=621802&postcount=32" might help.
 
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Wonderful. I managed to obtain the required relation by extremising the action under X. Thanks so much for the fantastic help you give!

Just one more quick question about that link in your last post: can you always equate the conserved quantity relating to (dt/dT) to E/m or is that only for the Schwarzschild metric?
 
bjaw said:
Just one more quick question about that link in your last post: can you always equate the conserved quantity relating to (dt/dT) to E/m or is that only for the Schwarzschild metric?

For large r, Scwharzschild spacetime is like Minkowski spacetime, and in Minkowski spacetime, dt/dT = E/m. This led to the choice of label. I think it is common to use this label in any spacetime for which this is true. Not all spacetimes, however, have this property.
 

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