Solving Grignard Reagent Homework Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a homework problem involving Grignard reagents and the formation of an allene. A participant suggests replacing a bromine atom with magnesium bromide, but the answer key indicates this is incorrect. The conversation shifts to the mechanism of nucleophilic substitution, specifically discussing how a lone pair on a carbon atom can act as a nucleophile to facilitate the reaction. There is debate about the classification of the mechanism as Substitution Nucleophilic Internal (SNi) and its relation to neighboring group participation. The need for references to support claims about SNi mechanisms is also emphasized.
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One of Br should be replaced by MgBr but the answer key states that its wrong. I can't think of anything else. :confused:

Seems like I need to do something with alkyne.
Any help is appreciated.
 

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Write it as Br--Mg--R-. Does R- rings a bell? What does the answer key suggests anyway?
 
AGNuke said:
Write it as Br--Mg--R-. Does R- rings a bell? What does the answer key suggests anyway?

Thanks AGNuke for the help! :smile:
The answer key suggests that its an allene.
If i write it as R-, I do get near to the answer but yet i can't seem to make the final compound. See attachment for my attempt. The negative charge and pi bonds form a conjugated system so there will be resonance.
 

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What about that negative charge attacking CH2 and Br exiting? I am sure you would get CH2=C=C=CH2. As a matter of fact. It is a method to prepare otherwise hard to prepare cumulene.
 
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AGNuke said:
What about that negative charge attacking CH2 and Br exiting? I am sure you would get CH2=C=C=CH2. As a matter of fact. It is a method to prepare otherwise hard to prepare cumulene.

I still don't get it. :rolleyes:

Care to explain a bit more.
 
Lets number the C-atoms in the diagram. The C-atom attached with Br-Mg be 1 and that last atom attached with Br be 4.

There are lone pair on C-3. They can act as a nuclophile and can attack C-4. On C-4, lone pairs from C-3 are coming and Br is going. This is SNi. And we get Butatriene.
 
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Lets number the C-atoms in the diagram. The C-atom attached with Br-Mg be 1 and that last atom attached with Br be 4.

There are lone pair on C-3. They can act as a nuclophile and can attack C-4. On C-4, lone pairs from C-3 are coming and Br is going. This is SNi. And we get Butatriene.

How is it SNi? As far as I remember, this mechanism is found only during the reaction of R-OH with SOCl2 and there is one more reaction where this mechanism is found but it is definitely not related to what you have said. I think its related to Neighbouring Group participation but I would like to confirm it.
 
Substitution Nucleophilic Internal. It is also linked to many forms of NGP.
 
AGNuke said:
Substitution Nucleophilic Internal. It is also linked to many forms of NGP.

I know what's the meaning of SNi but I can't agree with you until you give me some references.
 
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Wikipedia?
 
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