Solving Heat Transfer of Ice Homework: Initial Copper Temp

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The problem involves heat transfer between a solid copper piece and ice in an insulated system, focusing on determining the initial temperature of the copper. The context includes specific masses and temperatures of the materials involved, as well as the final states after thermal equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations related to heat transfer, including the heat required to raise the temperature of ice and the heat of fusion for melting ice. There are questions about arithmetic accuracy and the correctness of the method used to solve for the initial temperature of copper.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential arithmetic errors in the calculations. There is a suggestion to verify the latent heat of fusion value used in the calculations. The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the method and calculations without reaching a consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of an insulated system with no heat exchange with the surroundings, and they are addressing the implications of the final states of ice and water in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 6.00-kg piece of solid copper metal at an initial temperature T is placed with 2.00 kg of ice that is initially at -20.0C. The ice is in an insulated container of negligible mass and no heat is exchanged with the surroundings. After thermal equilibrium is reached, there is 1.2 kg of ice and 0.80 kg of liquid water. What was the initial temperature od the piece of copper?[/B]

Homework Equations


Q=mcΔT
Q=mL (L in this case is the heat of fusion)
ΣQ=0[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Qcopper= 6(390)(Tf-T)
Qice=2(2100)(0-(-20))=8400J (heat required to raise the temperature of the ice to 0C)
Qwater=.8(334x10^3)=26400J (heat required to melt .8 kg of ice)

applying ΣQ=0:
6(390)(Tf-T) + 8400+26400=0

Tf= would have to be 0c because we still have some ice left.

solve for T:
T
=118.974C
The correct answer is 150C
what did I do wrong?[/B]
 
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You've made some arithmetic errors.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
You've made some arithmetic errors.

Chet
Thanks! Is the method correct, though?
 
Bassa said:
Thanks! Is the method correct, though?
Yes
 
Bassa said:

Homework Statement


A 6.00-kg piece of solid copper metal at an initial temperature T is placed with 2.00 kg of ice that is initially at -20.0C. The ice is in an insulated container of negligible mass and no heat is exchanged with the surroundings. After thermal equilibrium is reached, there is 1.2 kg of ice and 0.80 kg of liquid water. What was the initial temperature od the piece of copper?[/B]

Homework Equations


Q=mcΔT
Q=mL (L in this case is the heat of fusion)
ΣQ=0[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Qcopper= 6(390)(Tf-T)
Qice=2(2100)(0-(-20))=8400J (heat required to raise the temperature of the ice to 0C)
Qwater=.8(334x10^3)=26400J (heat required to melt .8 kg of ice)

applying ΣQ=0:
6(390)(Tf-T) + 8400+26400=0

Tf= would have to be 0c because we still have some ice left.

solve for T:
T
=118.974C
The correct answer is 150C
what did I do wrong?[/B]

You should check your arithmetic here throughout. For example, when I calculate 2 * 2100 * 20, I don't get 8400.
 
Thank you very much for your help!
 
Your Latent heat of fusion of ice is incorrect. It should be 3.33 x 10^5 for it to have a result of 150 centigrade.
 
Fizixxs said:
Your Latent heat of fusion of ice is incorrect. It should be 3.33 x 10^5 for it to have a result of 150 centigrade.
Hello, @Fizixxs .

:welcome:

You are answering a thread which is more than 8 years old.
 
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