Solving Integration Problem: x^3*sqrt(x^2 +1)

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function x^3*sqrt(x^2 + 1) using substitution. Participants express frustration with initial substitution attempts, particularly with u = x^2 + 1, as it leads to complications with remaining x terms. A breakthrough occurs when one participant suggests rewriting the function as x^2*sqrt(x^2 + 1)*x, allowing for a more effective substitution. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing relationships between variables to simplify integration problems. Ultimately, the thread emphasizes the collaborative nature of solving complex mathematical challenges.
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Homework Statement


Integrate x^3*sqrt(x^2 +1)


Homework Equations


The problem is to be solved by using substitution


The Attempt at a Solution


To be honest I'm at a complete stump here, I've tried most values for U. My first guess was x^3, since du/dx = 3x^2, but I can't substitute this into a root, can I? Choosing x^2+1 as U is also moot, as the derivative equals 2x and by substituting you are still left with x^2 on the left side of the equation.

So I thought perhaps the best idea would be to substitute all of sqrt(x^2 +1), as the derivative becomes x/(sqrt(x^2+1)) = x/u, but even then, I'm stuck with x^2 by substituting.

I've also tried all sorts of ways to rewrite the equation (such as x^3*(x^2+1)^0.5, however, with no luck). I'm really starting to wonder how I'm supposed to integrate this function by use of substitution, anyone got any thoughts that could push me in the right direction?

Thanks.
 
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Molecular said:
Choosing x^2+1 as U is also moot, as the derivative equals 2x and by substituting you are still left with x^2 on the left side of the equation.
Ah, but x^2 = u-1.
 
neutrino said:
Ah, but x^2 = u-1.

Aah of course, thank you for the help, my man. Seeing those little things is what makes integration fun, except of course, when you don't see them ;p.

Thanks again!
 
Have you considered writing x^3\sqt{x^2+ 1} as x^2\sqrt{x^2+1} (x) and letting u= x2[/sup[+ 1?
 
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