Solving LaGrange Multipliers for Closest Points to Origin on xy+yz+zx=3

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The discussion revolves around finding points on the surface defined by the equation xy + yz + zx = 3 that are closest to the origin, utilizing the method of Lagrange multipliers. The problem includes proving a specific identity related to the variables and setting up a system of equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of proving that x + y + z is not equal to 0 for points on the surface. There are attempts to set up a system of equations using Lagrange multipliers, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the first part of the problem and its relevance to the third part.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the use of the first part in relation to the third part. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of solving the system of equations, with one participant expressing frustration but ultimately indicating a resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the first part of the problem may simplify the process of solving the system of equations in the third part. There is an indication of a lack of clarity regarding the implications of the first part on the overall problem-solving approach.

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Homework Statement



Consider the problem of finding the points on the surface xy+yz+zx=3 that are closest to the origin.

1) Use the identity (x+y+z)^2=x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+yz+zx) to prove that x+y+z is not equal to 0 for any point on the given surface.

2) Use the method of Lagrange multipliers to find a system of four equations in x,y,z and \lambda whose solutions will give the closest points.

3) Find the points on xy+yz+zx=3 that are closest to the origin.

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I'm clueless on what to do for the 1st part (although I imagine it's actually something simple), but I think I have the second part down. Problem is, I think I probably need to use the 1st part for the 3rd somehow.

For the second part, I found the system of four equations to be:

2x=\lambda(y+z)
2y=\lambda(x+z)
2z=\lambda(x+y)
xy+yz+zx=3
 
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For part 1: HINT - Use the fact that for any point on the surface xy + yz + xz = 3

For part 3: HINT - Add the left sides of the first three equations and their right sides to make a new equation (then use part 1)
 
wilcofan3 said:
Problem is, I think I probably need to use the 1st part for the 3rd somehow.
You can use the first part, even if you don't know why the first part is true. :-p

By the way, part 3 is just a system of equations, solve it the way you normally would. The first part doesn't really affect that -- all ithe first part does is let you make a simplification along the way.
 
Hurkyl said:
You can use the first part, even if you don't know why the first part is true. :-p

By the way, part 3 is just a system of equations, solve it the way you normally would. The first part doesn't really affect that -- all ithe first part does is let you make a simplification along the way.

I feel so stupid, I'm failing at solving this simple system, yet I am pretty sure I know what I'm going to end up with. I'm sure it will be something like x+y=-z that I end up with, because than that would say x+y+z=0 which isn't true, which proves that x=y.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's solved. I don't know why I was blanking on solving the system.
 
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