Solving Odd Elliptic Equation with Greens Functions

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The discussion revolves around solving an odd elliptic equation using Green's functions. Participants explore various methods, including Laplace transforms and numerical approaches, while addressing boundary conditions and the challenges associated with each method.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an elliptic equation and expresses difficulty with Laplace transforms, particularly with the inverse transforms and the resulting complexity involving complementary error functions.
  • Another participant suggests that using Green's functions is a viable approach, noting that the homogeneous equation is separable and has exponential solutions, and mentions the need for an orthonormal basis.
  • A participant reflects on their struggles with the Laplace transform method and expresses uncertainty about inverting it, indicating that the homogeneous solutions may not contribute effectively.
  • Recommendations for resources on Green's functions are provided, with specific texts mentioned that cover the topic in the context of electromagnetic theory and quantum mechanics.
  • There is a suggestion that the Laplace transform approach might be suitable for numerical integration, although it is acknowledged that the Green function method may also not yield a simple result.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of considering boundary conditions and the possibility of computing constants numerically, with one expressing limited experience in numerical methods but suggesting it could be framed as a root-finding problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Green's functions are a promising method for solving the elliptic equation, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of the Laplace transform approach or the best numerical methods to apply. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective solution strategy.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the boundary conditions and the potential need for numerical methods, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the specific constants and the integration process.

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I have the following elliptic equation that I must solve:
[tex] a\frac{\partial^{2}\phi}{\partial y^{2}}+\frac{\partial^{2}\phi}{\partial u^{2}}+b\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial u}=-ce^{-y^{2}}[/tex]
Where a,b and c are constants. Along with the conditions:
[tex] \phi (y,0)=\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial u}(y,0)=0,\quad\lim_{y\rightarrow\infty}\phi (y,u)=\lim_{y\rightarrow\infty}\frac{\partial\phi}{\partial y}(y,u)=0[/tex]
I have tried the usual approach using Laplace transforms but I got into a horrible mess with looking at the particular solution which involved horrible things like complimentary error functions and the like. As well as that mess, computing the inverse transforms were waay waay to hard as I had to look at [tex]\sqrt{\alpha s^{2}+\beta s}[/tex] where s was my Laplace transform variable and I had no idea what to do regarding them so I dropped that method.

My current idea is to use Greens functions but I don't know a great deal about them and was after some advice.

Regards

Mat
 
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Using Green functions would be a good way to solve this. The homogeneous equation is separable and has exponential solutions. After imposing the boundary conditions, I believe you'll need to use Gram-Schmidt to construct an orthonormal basis for the solution space. The Green function can then be obtained as a series expansion in terms of these orthonormal basis. Finally the solutions to the inhomogeneous equation can be obtained in the usual manner by integrating the forcing function.
 
I have tried looking at the problem from the point of view of Laplace transform and as you can see I haven't gotten very far at all. I have no idea how to go about inverting the Laplace transform. The Homogeneous solution has sin and cos solutions and I feel that they will inverse transform to zero which doesn't help me much.

It looks as if I will have to learn some Green's functions. Can you recommend anything?

Mat
 

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Any EM or QM text that discusses scattering theory will contain a discussion of Green functions, as will any decent math methods book. I would look at Arfken or Jackson myself, but you may prefer something else.
 
Did you have a look at the Laplace transform thing I did? Did it look promising?

Mat
 
hunt_mat said:
Did you have a look at the Laplace transform thing I did? Did it look promising?

Mat

I hadn't looked too closely, but did now. It might be fine if you want to do the integrals numerically. Of course, there's no guarantee that the Green function method will give a result that can be expressed in a nice form either. But it seems like a good exercise to learn the method regardless.
 
There is the boundary conditions to consider. We need to compute the constants. Can we do this numerically?
 
hunt_mat said:
There is the boundary conditions to consider. We need to compute the constants. Can we do this numerically?

I've never studied numerical methods in much detail, but I'd expect you can turn it into a root-finding problem which is well-suited to numerical methods.
 

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