Solving ODE: $\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -\frac{L}{x}$

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The discussion revolves around solving the second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by $\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -\frac{L}{x}$, where L is a positive constant. Participants are exploring various methods to approach this problem, expressing concerns about the dimensional correctness of the variables involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants suggest integrating the equation and using Laplace transforms, while others express skepticism about the effectiveness of these methods. There is discussion about substituting variables and transforming the equation into a first-order ODE, though concerns about the complexity of integration arise.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants have noted the challenges posed by the nonlinearity of the equation and the potential for the solution to not be expressible in terms of elementary functions. There is a recognition of the need for further exploration of assumptions regarding the variables involved.

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Participants question the dimensional correctness of the variables x and t, suggesting that they may not represent position and time. There is also mention of a possible missing coefficient in the equation.

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I've been trying to deterimine the path of a particle. And somewhere in the solution, I need to solve this:
[tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -\frac{L}{x}[/tex]
where L is a positive number (actually length). And ideas how this can be solved? I was just reluctant to try series expansion (frob., etc) since the problem isn't finished with the solution of this, and it'd be better if I had finite terms to go on.
 
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How about integrating twice?
 
How about reading the question?

In case you haven't noticed, the variable on the right side is x and not t.
 
Whoops. :redface:

I haven't finished solving it yet, but I have started by moving the [itex]x[/itex] over to the left side and taking the Laplace transform. It requires some clever integration by parts, but I think it is going to come out.
 
Thanks for taking time :)
 
The Laplace transform method doesn't work. [itex]X(s)[/itex] cancels out entirely.

I then tried substituting [itex]v=\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex], which gives the following:

[tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{dv}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}=v\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex]<br /> <br /> This works <i>in principle</i> because it gives you a seperable first order ODE in [itex]v(t)[/itex]. But the integration to get from [itex]v[/itex] to [itex]x[/itex] looks nasty, and I don't know if it can be done <i>in practice</i>.[/tex]
 
I too have tried solving the equation using the same trick.
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt} \frac{dx}{dx} = vdv\frac{1}{dx}[/tex]
and
[tex]vdv = -L\frac{dx}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{v^2}{2} = -L \ln(x) + C_0[/tex]
[tex]v = \frac{dx}{dt} = \sqrt{-2L \ln(x) + C_0}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx}{\sqrt{-2L \ln(x) + C_0}} = dt[/tex]
Which seemed to be worse...
But at least, it's first order!

(note: negative v won't make sense, so I just ignored it)
 
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gulsen said:
I've been trying to deterimine the path of a particle. And somewhere in the solution, I need to solve this:
[tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -\frac{L}{x}[/tex]
where L is a positive number (actually length). And ideas how this can be solved? I was just reluctant to try series expansion (frob., etc) since the problem isn't finished with the solution of this, and it'd be better if I had finite terms to go on.

I guess x and t are not position and time as then the equation is dimensionally incorrect. Or is there still some coefficient missing?
 
Yes, it all means that x(t) is not expressible in terms of elementary functions, and possibly neither in terms of known special functions...

Daniel.
 
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aaahhh nonlinearity...makes a simple equation to be a very hard one. If you assume a series solution sometimes you come out with the series expansion of an analytical function. It's only an idea.
 
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da_willem said:
I guess x and t are not position and time as then the equation is dimensionally incorrect. Or is there still some coefficient missing?

^-^' actually, I've just merged them into L to keep it simple, but L is still positive.

BTW, integrator has given this solution:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{-2L \ln(x) + C_0}} = e^{\frac{C_0}{2L}} \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{2L}} erf(\sqrt{\frac{-2L \ln(x) + C_0}{2L}})[/tex]
 
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