Solving Pidgeonhole Principle with Induction – A Helpful Guide

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The discussion focuses on applying the Pigeonhole Principle, which states that if kn + 1 objects are placed in n pigeonholes, at least one pigeonhole must contain at least k + 1 objects. Participants explore whether induction is necessary for solving the problem, with one suggesting that distributing kn objects evenly across the pigeonholes leaves one object, ensuring at least one hole will contain k + 1 objects. The conversation emphasizes the importance of logical reasoning and clear mathematical representation in demonstrating the principle. Clarifications are made regarding the correct notation and examples to illustrate the concept effectively. Overall, the thread seeks to solidify understanding of the Pigeonhole Principle through logical argumentation and examples.
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Homework Statement


Pidgeonhole principle: If kn+1 objects are placed in n pigeonholes, then some pigeohoe contains atleast k+1 objects.



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I completely understand this problem but I am not sure where or how to start.
If there are n = 5 holes and we set k to be 2.
then there are 11 objects in total and according to the principle, some pidgeonhole would occupy (2)+1 = 3 objects in one hole.


Do we use induction?

Assume k, n is natural:
Assume kn + 1 is nautral:
Then kn+1 > k + 1
Then kn > k
n > 1 ?
...

Can someone please give me a hint?
Helps appreciated.
 
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I don't think induction is the way to go for this problem.

Suppose you had kn objects and n pigeonholes (note spelling). One way to distribute the n objects would be to divide them equally among all the pigeonholes, with k objects in each hole. Of course, if you put more an extra object in one pigeonhole, another pigeonhole would end up with (k - 1) objects.

Now, if you have kn + 1 objects, and n pigeonholes, you can again distribute kn of the objects equally, with k of them in each pigeonhole, and you'll have one left over. Can you show that no matter how you distribute the objects, there has to be at least one pigeonhole with k + 1 objects in it?
 
Is there some mathematical way of showing that no matter how we distribute it, there's always one pigeonhole with k + 1 objects in it ?
I can represent this with an example, kn + 1 / n gives the number of objects to be placed in each hole to evenly distribute. But the remainder of 1 gives us one item left to be placed in some hole in which it will occupy k + 1.
 
lovemake1 said:
Is there some mathematical way of showing that no matter how we distribute it, there's always one pigeonhole with k + 1 objects in it ?
Yes. The way I have in mind is a logical argument.
lovemake1 said:
I can represent this with an example, kn + 1 / n gives the number of objects to be placed in each hole to evenly distribute. But the remainder of 1 gives us one item left to be placed in some hole in which it will occupy k + 1.
First, kn + 1/n is the same as kn + (1/n). I know you meant (kn + 1)/n, so use parentheses so that other people understand what you really mean.

Second, what you show above isn't an example. What you had in your 1st post with n = 5 and k = 2 - that's an example.

If you have n pigeonholes and kn + 1 objects, and you put k objects in each pigeonhole, you have one object left over. Is there any way of distributing the kn + 1 objects so that no pigeonhole has more than k objects?

That's what you need to argue.
 

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