Solving Series Expansion of Current in Resistor/Inductor Circuit

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the series expansion of the current in a resistor-inductor circuit connected to a battery, described by the equation I = 2.7(1-e^(-0.1t)). Participants are tasked with finding the first three terms of the expansion using the series for e^x.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore substituting values into the series expansion for e^x and question the correctness of their setups and calculations. There are discussions about the signs in the expansion and the need to include additional terms to meet the problem's requirements.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights and corrections regarding the application of the series expansion and the handling of signs. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections, with no explicit consensus reached on the final approach or outcome.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential issues with the original problem statement, including the absence of a variable 't' in the initial equation provided by the original poster. There are also mentions of discrepancies between calculated results and answer choices, suggesting possible typos or misunderstandings in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A resistor and inductor are connected in series to a battery. The current in the circuit ( in A ) is given by I = 2.7(1-e-0.1), where t is the time since the circuit was closed. By using the series for ex, find the first three terms of the expansion of this function.

Homework Equations


ex = 1 + x + x2/2! + ... + xn/n!

The Attempt at a Solution


Would I substitute -0.1 for x in this expansion like so: ex = 1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2! ? And then place this expansion into the original function 2.7(1-(1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2!)) ?? And finally, multiply the 2.7 back in?

This isn't coming out to one of my answer choices. Where have I gone wrong in my setup?

Thanks!
 
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[tex]e^x = 1 +(-0.1) + \frac{(-0.1)^2}{2}[/tex] Substituting you get [tex]2.7 (1- \left( 1 +(-0.1) + \frac{(-0.1)^2}{2} \right))[/tex] Watch your minus signs.
 
CaptGoodvibes said:

Homework Statement


A resistor and inductor are connected in series to a battery. The current in the circuit ( in A ) is given by I = 2.7(1-e-0.1), where t is the time since the circuit was closed. By using the series for ex, find the first three terms of the expansion of this function.

Do you mean

[tex]I(t) = 2.7(1 - e^{-0.1t})[/tex]? (There's no "t" in your formula.)

Would I substitute -0.1 for x in this expansion like so: ex = 1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2! ? And then place this expansion into the original function 2.7(1-(1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2!)) ??

This isn't coming out to one of my answer choices. Where have I gone wrong in my setup?

Thanks!

I see a couple of problems. First,

[tex](-0.1)^2 = 0.1^2[/tex], not [tex]-0.1^2[/tex]

Second, notice that the "1" terms cancel, leaving you with only two terms. The problem asks for three, so you probably need to include the [tex]0.1^3[/tex] term as well.
 
It kills me when I try to get clever and my signs get skewed.

So, now I've added a couple steps to insure I'm sign-correct and also added the third term to account for the 1's canceling.

Here is the setup:
[tex]I = 2.7 (1- \left( 1 +(-0.1) + \frac{(-0.1)^2}{2} + \frac{(-0.1)^3}{6}\right))[/tex]

Clear the 1's and multiply by 2.7...

[tex]2.7(-0.1) + \frac{2.7(-0.1)^2}{2} + \frac{2.7(-0.1)^3}{6}[/tex]

Pull out the fractions to please the prof:

[tex]2.7(-0.1) + \frac{1}{2}2.7(-0.1)^2+ \frac{1}{6}2.7(-0.1)^3[/tex]

The numbers come out almost right. And the missing 't' from the problem shows in the answer key so I've arbitrarily added the [tex]t,t^2,[/tex] and [tex]t^3[/tex]

The answer I got is:
[tex]I(t) = -0.27t + 0.0135t^2 - 0.00045t^3[/tex] but to match the answer, I'd have to multiply by -1 to get the signs right. I'm close but there must be another tidbit I've overlooked. Or there's a typo in the answer key...

I wonder if this is like a falling object where the negative sign is removed(or multiplied by -1) in relation to time.
 
You only applied the - sign to the first term inside the inner parentheses. It should have been applied to all of them! (Distributive law.)
 
jbunniii said:
You only applied the - sign to the first term inside the inner parentheses. It should have been applied to all of them! (Distributive law.)

Ahhhhh... it's not 1-(...) it's 1-1(...) Dangit! I'm so caught up in the new stuff I forgot the details.

Thanks so much!
 

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