Solving Slurry Bed Adsorption: Calculating Residence Time & Isotherm Selection

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of residence time in slurry bed adsorption and the selection of appropriate isotherms for fitting data. Participants seek clarification on the derivation of relevant equations and the implications of various parameters involved in the adsorption process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how to calculate residence time, noting it is unspecified in their assignment.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the definition of the variable q in the context of the equation provided.
  • A participant explains that q represents the loading on the adsorbent at a given time and provides a derivation involving feed concentration and outlet concentration.
  • Discussion arises regarding the total surface area parameter and its relationship to the volumetric flow rate and concentration changes.
  • There is uncertainty expressed about how to determine the total volume of slurry in a continuous flow scenario.
  • One participant mentions that the problem states the absorber bed has a volume of 25 m³, leading to a proposed residence time of 12.5 seconds.
  • Another participant questions the simplicity of the residence time calculation, suggesting it may be influenced by the rate of adsorption equilibrium.
  • Discussion includes the need for experimental determination of the mass transfer coefficient k or ka, with some participants suggesting it could be derived from adsorption isotherms.
  • Clarification is provided that k relates to the rate of diffusion across the concentration boundary layer, not to equilibrium behavior.
  • A participant requests guidance on equations for desorption, indicating a lack of familiarity with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation of residence time and the factors influencing it, particularly regarding the relationship between residence time and adsorption equilibrium. There is no consensus on the best approach to determine certain parameters, such as k or the total volume of slurry.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note missing assumptions regarding the parameters involved in the equations, such as the average surface to volume ratio and the volume fraction of particles. The discussion also highlights the complexity of determining certain coefficients experimentally.

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Summary:: I have an assignment on slurry bed adsorption and would like to know how to calculate residence time as it is not specified. I was also wondering if anyone had any suggestions for another isotherm to try and fit the data to (other than freundlich). Thanks

##\frac {dq} {dt} = \frac {k_la .t_{res}} {1+k_la.t_{res}}.\frac QS.[c_F-c^*] ##

where:
##t_{res} =## residence time ##(s)##
## k_la =## volumetric mass transfer coefficient ##(s^{-1})##
##Q= ##Volumetric flowrate
##S= ##adsorbent mass
##c_F=## feed concentration
##c^*= ##Concentration in solution in equilibrium with the loading on the adsorbent (suitable isotherm used)

I know that I need to use the equation specified above and solve numerically to get the loading after 4 hours. However, I am not sure how to get the residence time, as this has been specified in previous examples that I have done. I was also wondering if anyone had any suggestions for another isotherm to try and fit the data to (other than freundlich). Thanks
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Please describe your understanding of the derivation of this equation. What is q defined as?
 
Thanks for the reply! q is the loading on the adsorbent at time t

Here is the derivation, where ##c_f## is concentration of adsorbate in feed and ##c_{out}## is the concentration of adsorbent in outlet. I understand it but we are usually given residence time, however it is not given in this question.
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The parameter a is the total surface area of solid particles in the slurry divided by the total volume of slurry. So the total molar flow rate of solute to the solid surfaces is ##kaV(c_{out}-c^*)##, and this must equal to the volumetric flow rate Q of solvent through the unit times the change in concentration of solvent between inlet and outlet of the unit: $$Q(c_{out}-c_{F})=-kaV(c_{out}-c^*)$$What does that tell you about the residence time?
 
I'm not sure sorry. How would you get the total volume of slurry (V) in this example? as there is a continuous flow of liquid
 
Chestermiller said:
The parameter a is the total surface area of solid particles in the slurry divided by the total volume of slurry. So the total molar flow rate of solute to the solid surfaces is kaV(count−c∗), and this must equal to the volumetric flow rate Q of solvent through the unit times the change in concentration of solvent between inlet and outlet of the unit: Q(count−cF)=−kaV(count−c∗)What does that tell you about the residence time?
How would the parameter a be calculated? By using the the volume and the mass of the bed and researching particle size of activated carbon or by different means?
 
Will26040 said:
I'm not sure sorry. How would you get the total volume of slurry (V) in this example? as there is a continuous flow of liquid
The problem statement states "the absorber bed ..., has a volume of 25 m^3." The value of V is 25 ^3, and the residence time is 12.5 seconds.
 
Eskimo18 said:
Eskimo:
You. would have to know the average surface to volume ratio of the particles, the volume of the bed, and the volume fraction particles. The difficult parameter to obtain is k, or ka. In my judgment this would have to be determined experimentally.
 
Chestermiller said:
The problem statement states "the absorber bed ..., has a volume of 25 m^3." The value of V is 25 ^3, and the residence time is 12.5 seconds.
Is it really that simple? I thought the residence time was affected by how fast the adsorption equilibrium was reached
 
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Will26040 said:
Is it really that simple? I thought the residence time was affected by how fast the adsorption equilibrium was reached
No way. In a CSTR, the mean residence time is equal to the reactor volume divided by the volume rate of flow.
 
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Chestermiller said:
You. would have to know the average surface to volume ratio of the particles, the volume of the bed, and the volume fraction particles. The difficult parameter to obtain is k, or ka. In my judgment this would have to be determined experimentally.
Can the value of k not be found using adsoprtion isotherms using the loading and pressure data given?
How would you know the volume fraction of the solvent, would it be 0.3%*2m^3s^-1?
 
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Eskimo18 said:
Can the value of k not be found using adsoprtion isotherms using the loading and pressure data given?
No. k has nothing to do with the equilibrium behavior. It is related to the rate of diffusion of solute (outside the surface of particles) across the solute concentration boundary layer between the bulk solvent at solute concentration ##C_{out}## and the solvent at the surface of the particles at solute concentration ##C^*##. In terms of the solute concentration boundary layer thickness ##\delta##, k is defined as $$k=\frac{D}{\delta}$$where D is the diffusivity of the solute in the solvent.
How would you know the volume fraction of the solvent, would it be 0.3%*2m^3s^-1?
Where did the "2" come from? Volume fraction in a gas is a synonym for mole fraction.
 
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Please could you point me in the direction of an equation used for desorption (part b), I have no idea what to use. Thanks
 
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Will26040 said:
Please could you point me in the direction of an equation used for desorption (part b), I have no idea what to use. Thanks
You use the same equation, except that now, C* exceeds count
 
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