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The problem involves determining the maximum weight of block m_{2} that allows block m_{1} to remain at rest on a table, given the weight of block m_{1}, the coefficient of static friction, and an angle. Participants are exploring the relationships between forces acting on the blocks and the effects of static friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss free body diagrams (FBDs) for both blocks and the knot connecting them. There are attempts to relate tensions and forces, with some questioning the validity of the calculated maximum weight of block m_{2} based on their results.

Discussion Status

Multiple participants have arrived at a similar numerical answer of approximately 97.9 N, but there is uncertainty regarding its correctness. Some participants suggest that the discrepancy may arise from misunderstanding the problem requirements, such as whether the answer should be in weight or mass. Others raise the possibility of neglecting the static friction force in their calculations.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific values for weights and coefficients, and there is a mention of a computer system rejecting their answers, which adds to the confusion regarding the expected format of the response.

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Hi, I have a problem here and I need some help on it. The problem is this:

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block m[tex]_{1}[/tex] weighs 875 N. The coefficient of static friction between the block and the table is 0.24 and the angle theta is 25.0[tex]\circ[/tex]. Find the maximum weight of block m[tex]_{2}[/tex] for which block m[tex]_{1}[/tex] will remain at rest.

2. The attempt at a solution

So far I've drawn an FBD for m[tex]_{1}[/tex], m[tex]_{2}[/tex], and the knot that connects them.

For the block m[tex]_{1}[/tex], I have T[tex]_{1}[/tex] = [tex]M[/tex][tex]_{s}[/tex]N in the x-direction, and N = m[tex]_{1}[/tex]g for the y-direction.

For block m[tex]_{2}[/tex], I have T[tex]_{2}[/tex] = m[tex]_{2}[/tex]g in the y-direction.

For the knot, I have T[tex]_{1}[/tex] = T[tex]_{3}[/tex]*cos(25) in the x-direction and T[tex]_{2}[/tex] = T[tex]_{3}[/tex]*sin(25) in the y-direction.



Since T[tex]_{1}[/tex] = T[tex]_{3}[/tex]*cos(25), and T[tex]_{1}[/tex] = [tex]M[/tex][tex]_{s}[/tex]N, I set T[tex]_{3}[/tex]*cos(25) = [tex]M[/tex][tex]_{s}[/tex]N and solving for T[tex]_{3}[/tex], I get T[tex]_{3}[/tex] = ([tex]M[/tex][tex]_{s}[/tex]N)/(cos(25))

In the knot, we have T[tex]_{2}[/tex] = T[tex]_{3}[/tex]*sin(25). I plug in the T[tex]_{3}[/tex] derived earlier and T[tex]_{2}[/tex] = m[tex]_{2}[/tex]g into this equation to get m[tex]_{2}[/tex]g = [tex]M[/tex][tex]_{s}[/tex]*m[tex]_{1}[/tex]g*tan(25)

When I plug in numbers, the answer I get is about 98, and that just doesn't seem right to me. Did I do something wrong? Thanks for the help in advance.
 
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I get the same answer as you. 97.9N. Why do you think it is the wrong answer?
 
learningphysics said:
I get the same answer as you. 97.9N. Why do you think it is the wrong answer?

I've tried putting that in as the answer, but the computer says it isn't correct.
 
Xiongster said:
I've tried putting that in as the answer, but the computer says it isn't correct.

Did you put in 98 or 97.9? Maybe they want the mass and not the weight? I'm not sure...
 
learningphysics said:
Did you put in 98 or 97.9? Maybe they want the mass and not the weight? I'm not sure...

When I put it in, it wants the units as Newtons, so I'm sure it's weight. But now that I have a second opinion, I'll just argue with the professor if it's wrong =]. Thanks!
 
Did you neglect the static friction force?

which would be 210N.. So whatever Tension you assigned to the rope being pulled horizontally would be a maximum of 210N
 
Yes it seems you did cause I also get 97.9N as the answer...

If it helps I am also a Physics teacher for the sake of your argument.
 
I did the problem, and I also got 97.9 N. Just to let you feel more secure about it :)
 
Alright! Thanks everyone!
 

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