Solving system of equations to find angle and energy of Au atom and α

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations to determine the angle and momentum of an alpha particle after it collides with a gold atom. The initial total energy and momentum conservation equations are established, but the user encounters discrepancies when substituting values back into the equations. Key points of confusion include potential missing factors of c² in energy equations and the algebraic manipulation leading to the determination of momentum. Suggestions emphasize the importance of maintaining symbolic representation during calculations to facilitate troubleshooting. The user ultimately resorts to MATLAB for solving the equations, indicating a need for clarity in the algebraic steps taken.
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Homework Statement



An alpha particle traveling with a kinetic energy of 5.5 MeV and a rest-mass of 3727.8 MeV/c^2 strikes a gold atom with a rest-mass of 183,476 MeV/c^2.

-The gold atom is initially at rest
-The alpha particle deflects perpendicular to the horizontal in the after state

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Homework Equations



Conservation of Energy:

Ebefore=Eafter


Conservation of momentum:

Pbefore=Pafter


E^2=P^2c^2+(mc^2)^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Total Energy Before Collison:

Ebefore=E(α)+E(Au)=3727.8MeV+5.5MeV+183476MeV=187,209MeV


Momentum before (in x-direction):

E^2=p^2c^2+(mc^2)^2

==> (3727.8+5.5)^2=P^2c^2+(3727.8)^2

==> P=202.6 MeV/c


AFTER STATE:

Conservation of momentum:

in x: P(Au)cosθ=202.6MeV/c (1)

in y: P(Au)sinθ-P(α)=0 (2)


Conservation of Energy:

E(Au)=√(P(Au)^2+183476^2)
E(α)=√(P(α)^2+3727.8^2)

==> √(P(Au)^2+183476^2)+√(P(α)^2+3727.8^2)=187,209 MeV (3)



Solve the system of equations to find θ, P(Au), and P(α):

Solve (3) for P(α):

P(α)=√(1.36998E9-P(Au)^2)


Plug back into Eq. (2):

P(Au)sinθ=√(1.36998E9-P(Au)^2)


Solve (1) for θ:

θ=arccos(202.6/P(Au))


Plug into (2) and solve for Au:

P(Au)sin[arccos(202.6/P(Au))]=√(1.36998E9-P(Au)^2)

==> P(Au)=26,172.7 MeV/c


Solve for θ:

26,172.7cosθ=202.6

==> θ=89.56°


Solve for P(α):

26,172.7sin(89.56°)=P(α)

==> P(α)=26,171.9 MeV/c



However, when I plug these numbers back into equation (3) the solution doesn't come out right. I have been looking over this for hours and can't figure out where my error might be.

Thanks!
 
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Possibly algebra problems?
Go through each step carefully - without going too deep, the following stood out:
E(Au)=√(P(Au)^2+183476^2)
E(α)=√(P(α)^2+3727.8^2)
Are you missing a c^2 in there? Typo?
Solve (3) for P(α):
P(α)=√(1.36998E9-P(Au)^2)
#3 was:
√(P(Au)^2+183476^2)+√(P(α)^2+3727.8^2)=187,20 9 MeV (3)
... is there a c^2 missing there too?
How did you get from this to your conclusion
P(Au)sin[arccos(202.6/P(Au))]=√(1.36998E9-P(Au)^2)

==> P(Au)=26,172.7 MeV/c
Have I read that right:
##p_{Au}\sin(\arccos(202.6/p_{Au}))=\sqrt{1.36998\times 10^9 - p_{Au}} \\ \Rightarrow p_{Au}=26172.7\text{MeV/c}##
... how did you manage to ull out the ##p_{Au}## ?

... I'm not saying these are the mistakes - only that this is what stands out.
 
I looked back over each step carefully. I must have made my mistake when solving for Pα in Equation 3. I ended up writing a script on MATLAB that solved for the three unknowns and got the answers that way. Thanks for the tips!
 
That's where I think it first went pear shaped too ... the c^2 thing you can get away with by adopting units so that c=1. Many people do that implicitly.

A good discipline is to do all the algebra in the symbols, leaving the numbers to last.
Worst case is, you'll have a clear path to backtrack and troubleshoot - in this case, a lot was hidden when you combined numbers so I couldn't tell what you'd done.

Still... no worries aye ;)
 
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