Solving the Indefinite Integral of a Trigonometric Expression

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The discussion revolves around solving the indefinite integral of a trigonometric expression involving secant, cosecant, and cotangent functions. The original poster attempts to simplify the integral and transform it into a more manageable form using trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various algebraic manipulations and substitutions, including the use of half-angle identities and the potential for eliminating trigonometric functions. There are questions about the correctness of certain algebraic steps and the implications of those steps on the overall solution.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's algebraic processes. Some participants suggest alternative approaches, while others clarify misunderstandings regarding trigonometric identities and substitutions. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach yet.

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There are indications of potential errors in algebraic simplifications and transformations, which participants are actively addressing. The complexity of the integral and the methods being discussed suggest a high level of mathematical reasoning is required.

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Homework Statement


\int \sqrt{\frac{\csc x-\cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}} \frac{\sec x}{\sqrt{1+2\sec x}}dx

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The Attempt at a Solution


The integral can be simplified to:
\int \sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}} \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x} \sqrt{\cos x+2}}dx
Using ##\cos x=2\cos^2x/2-1=1-2\sin^2x/2##, I end up with
\int \frac{\tan(x/2)}{\sqrt{2\cos^2(x/2)-1}\sqrt{2\cos^2(x/2)+1}}dx=\int \frac{\tan(x/2)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(x/2)-1}}dx
I am stuck here.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Your algebra has a slight error at the beginning of item 3. above. sec x = 1 / cos x. When this is combined with 1 / SQRT (cos x + 2), you should obtain 1 / SQRT (cos^2 x * (cos x + 2)).
 
SteamKing said:
Your algebra has a slight error at the beginning of item 3. above. sec x = 1 / cos x. When this is combined with 1 / SQRT (cos x + 2), you should obtain 1 / SQRT (cos^2 x * (cos x + 2)).
I don't see an error there.
Pranav-Arora, you can eliminate the trig, if it helps. tan(x)dx = -d(cos(x))/cos(x). (I think that after a few substitutions you can get it to integrating sech.)
 
haruspex said:
I don't see an error there.
Pranav-Arora, you can eliminate the trig, if it helps. tan(x)dx = -d(cos(x))/cos(x). (I think that after a few substitutions you can get it to integrating sech.)

Substituting x/2=t, dx=2dt
2\int \frac{\tan(t)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(t)-1}}dt
##\because \tan t=-d(\cos x)/(\cos x)##

2\int \frac{\tan(t)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(t)-1}}dt=\int \frac{-d(\cos x)}{\cos x\sqrt{\cos^4(t)-(1/2)^2}}

Is this equivalent to integrating ##\displaystyle \int \frac{-dt}{t\sqrt{t^4-a^2}}## where a is some constant.

I am asking this because I have never used this type of method to solve integrals.
 
haruspex said:
I don't see an error there.
Pranav-Arora, you can eliminate the trig, if it helps. tan(x)dx = -d(cos(x))/cos(x). (I think that after a few substitutions you can get it to integrating sech.)

sec x is still not equal to 1 / SQRT(cos x).
 
SteamKing said:
sec x is still not equal to 1 / SQRT(cos x).

I never wrote that it is.
I should have not skipped the steps. I simplified it the following way:
\frac{\sec x}{\sqrt{1+2\sec x}}=\frac{1}{\cos x \sqrt{1+2/\cos x}}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x} \sqrt{2+\cos x}}
 
Pranav-Arora said:
##\int \frac{-dt}{t\sqrt{t^4-a^2}}## where a is some constant.
Good. Now, what can you do after rewriting that as ##\int \frac{-tdt}{t^2\sqrt{t^4-a^2}}##?
 
haruspex said:
Good. Now, what can you do after rewriting that as ##\int \frac{-tdt}{t^2\sqrt{t^4-a^2}}##?

Let t^2=z or 2tdt=dz. The integral can be written as
\frac{-1}{2} \int \frac{dz}{z\sqrt{z^2-a^2}}
My notes say that the above integral evaluates to -1/(2a)(arcsec(x/a)) but the answer is in terms of arcsin. :confused:
 
Pranav-Arora said:
the above integral evaluates to -1/(2a)(arcsec(x/a)) but the answer is in terms of arcsin. :confused:
well, arcsec(x/a) = arccos(a/x), and there's a pretty easy step from there to arcsin form.
 
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haruspex said:
well, arcsec(x/a) = arccos(a/x), and there's a pretty easy step from there to arcsin form.

Furthermore, if you draw the right angled triangle and label the x and a sides correctly, you can relate all six trig functions to each other in terms of x and a.
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Substituting x/2=t, dx=2dt
2\int \frac{\tan(t)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(t)-1}}dt
##\because \tan t=-d(\cos x)/(\cos x)##

2\int \frac{\tan(t)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(t)-1}}dt=\int \frac{-d(\cos x)}{\cos x\sqrt{\cos^4(t)-(1/2)^2}}

Is this equivalent to integrating ##\displaystyle \int \frac{-dt}{t\sqrt{t^4-a^2}}## where a is some constant.

I am asking this because I have never used this type of method to solve integrals.
I know that we're past this but there is a significant error in the middle of this post.

You wrote that ##\ \tan t=-d(\cos x)/(\cos x)\ .##

That should have been ##\ \tan(t)\,dt=-d(\cos t)/(\cos t)\,,\ ## which makes the next line:

\displaystyle 2\int \frac{\tan(t)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(t)-1}}dt=\int \frac{-d(\cos t)}{\cos (t)\ \sqrt{\cos^4(t)-(1/2)^2}}\ .​

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  • #12
SammyS said:
I know that we're past this but there is a significant error in the middle of this post.

You wrote that ##\ \tan t=-d(\cos x)/(\cos x)\ .##

That should have been ##\ \tan(t)\,dt=-d(\cos t)/(\cos t)\,,\ ## which makes the next line:

\displaystyle 2\int \frac{\tan(t)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(t)-1}}dt=\int \frac{-d(\cos t)}{\cos (t)\ \sqrt{\cos^4(t)-(1/2)^2}}\ .​

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Ah, I should have taken care of that. I did not notice that while I was writing that post. Thank you!

Substituting cos(t)=z

\int \frac{-d(\cos t)}{\cos (t)\ \sqrt{\cos^4(t)-(1/2)^2}}=\frac{-1}{2} \int \frac{dz}{z\sqrt{z^2-(1/2)^2}}=-\sec^{-1}(2z)+C=-\arccos\left(\frac{1}{2z}\right)+C
Adding and subtracting ##\pi/2##
\frac{\pi}{2}-\arccos\left(\frac{1}{2z}\right)-\frac{\pi}{2}+C
\arcsin\left(\frac{1}{2z}\right)+K=\arcsin\left(\frac{1}{2}\sec^2\frac{x}{2}\right)+K

Thank you haruspex and SammyS! :smile:
 

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