I Some doubts about determining experiments

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around determining the correct experimental approach to check the homogeneity of space when dropping a ball. Two methods are proposed: moving slightly while dropping the ball from the same height or remaining stationary but dropping it from a greater height. The first method is argued to maintain consistent initial conditions, while the second method raises questions about the validity of the Lagrangian approach in assessing homogeneity. The Lagrangian formulation suggests that shifting the drop height could still be valid, leading to confusion about which experimental method is correct. Ultimately, the conversation concludes that both methods can be valid under different interpretations of spatial homogeneity.
gionole
Messages
281
Reaction score
24
Imagine experiment is such as I drop a ball from some height vertically only.

What’s the right way to do 2nd experiment in order to check homogeneity of space.

Way 1: I move a little bit and drop the ball (same height, it’s just I moved - ball as well, but not in terms of height)

Way 2: We stay at the same place, but we drop the ball from higher height.I remember there was a constant speed moving train example and we were checking homogeneity such as we were in the train frame, drop, then we moved further in the train and drop it again from the same height. If so, then way 1 must be correct(since the experiments must be done with the same initial conditions - initial location, initial speed).

What I don’t get now is Lagrangian case for which we do for homogeneity check. For the ball, we know Lagrangian would be: ##L(y) = \frac{1}{2} mv^2 - mgy##

Then we say ##L(y+a) = \frac{1}{2} mv^2 - mg(y+a)##

How is this valid ? We definitely shift the ball upper, while we said that way 1 was correct above. Does this mean Way 2 is correct ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
We check
Way 2:homogeneity in space y
Way 1: homogeneity in space z or x.
 
  • Like
Likes gionole
All good. No need for further replies. Thanks.
 
The rope is tied into the person (the load of 200 pounds) and the rope goes up from the person to a fixed pulley and back down to his hands. He hauls the rope to suspend himself in the air. What is the mechanical advantage of the system? The person will indeed only have to lift half of his body weight (roughly 100 pounds) because he now lessened the load by that same amount. This APPEARS to be a 2:1 because he can hold himself with half the force, but my question is: is that mechanical...
Some physics textbook writer told me that Newton's first law applies only on bodies that feel no interactions at all. He said that if a body is on rest or moves in constant velocity, there is no external force acting on it. But I have heard another form of the law that says the net force acting on a body must be zero. This means there is interactions involved after all. So which one is correct?
Thread 'Beam on an inclined plane'
Hello! I have a question regarding a beam on an inclined plane. I was considering a beam resting on two supports attached to an inclined plane. I was almost sure that the lower support must be more loaded. My imagination about this problem is shown in the picture below. Here is how I wrote the condition of equilibrium forces: $$ \begin{cases} F_{g\parallel}=F_{t1}+F_{t2}, \\ F_{g\perp}=F_{r1}+F_{r2} \end{cases}. $$ On the other hand...
Back
Top