Some questions regarding Statistical and Quantum Mechanics

In summary: I think you have misunderstood what I wrote. I meant to say that when we are using the microcannonical ensemble to derive the statistical distributions, we are not maximizing the number of ways a microstate can be achieved, we are maximizing the number of ways a particular energy can be achieved. Sorry for the confusion.
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Shan K
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I was studying statistical mechanics and found some concept that are difficult for me to grasp. Any kind of help will be highly appreciated.
My questions are :
1. In equilibrium which quantity should be maximized? Is it the number of Microstate or the way that a particular Microstate is achieved?
2. What the 'State' means in the 'Density Of States'? Is it the sets of (nx, ny, nz) for a particular 'n' in the energy of the particle in a 3 D box?
3. If Maxwell Boltzmann Statistics is for classical particles then why we are assuming discrete energy levels as well as quantum states in those energy levels to prove the distribution?

Thank you
 
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(1) In thermodynamics, for an isolated system, the entropy is maximized. But if the system is not isolated, then other quantities such as the various free energies are maximized or minimized. In classical statistical mechanics, the ensemble corresponding to an isolated system is the microcanonical ensemble, in which all states with the energy of the system are equally probable, and can be seen as maximizing the Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy subject to the energy constraint.

(2) "State" in "density of states" usually refers to quantum states with well defined and fixed energies. These are energy levels or energy eigenstates.

(3) The Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution does not hold in quantum statistical mechanics. However, the quantum distributions do become very similar to the Maxwell-Boltzmann distributions at high energy, so one can derive the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution with discrete energy levels and the assumption that the temperature is high. If you want to see the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution derived without discrete energy levels, take a look at http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-333-statistical-mechanics-i-statistical-mechanics-of-particles-fall-2007/lecture-notes/lec13.pdf .
 
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atyy said:
(1) In thermodynamics, for an isolated system, the entropy is maximized. But if the system is not isolated, then other quantities such as the various free energies are maximized or minimized. In classical statistical mechanics, the ensemble corresponding to an isolated system is the microcanonical ensemble, in which all states with the energy of the system are equally probable, and can be seen as maximizing the Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy subject to the energy constraint.
What is Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy? Is it kBln W?

atyy said:
(2) "State" in "density of states" usually refers to quantum states with well defined and fixed energies. These are energy levels or energy eigenstates.
Can more than one state posses same energy?
 
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Shan K said:
Can more than one state posses same energy?

Yes. If you're familiar with the "infinite square well" that everybody studies when learning QM, consider the three-dimensional version, a cubical box. There are three quantum numbers, one for each dimension, and the energies are
$$E_{lmn} = \frac{\pi^2 \hbar^2}{2mL^2} \left( l^2 + m^2 + n^2 \right)$$
The states with (l, m, n) = (1, 2, 3), (1, 3, 2), (2, 1, 3), (2, 3, 1), (3, 1, 2) and (3, 2, 1) all have the same energy. We call these degenerate states.
 
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Shan K said:
What is Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy? Is it kBln W?

Can more than one state posses same energy?

Since jtbell answered your second question, I'll just answer the first. The Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy is ##-k_B\sum\nolimits p\ln{p}##. In the microcanonical ensemble, all states with the same energy have the same probability, so p is a constant. If there are ##W## states with the same energy, then ##p = 1/W##, and after summing over ##W## number of states, the Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy reduces to ##k_B \ln{W}## for the microcanonical ensemble, which is the formula you wrote.
 
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jtbell said:
Yes. If you're familiar with the "infinite square well" that everybody studies when learning QM, consider the three-dimensional version, a cubical box. There are three quantum numbers, one for each dimension, and the energies are
$$E_{lmn} = \frac{\pi^2 \hbar^2}{2mL^2} \left( l^2 + m^2 + n^2 \right)$$
The states with (l, m, n) = (1, 2, 3), (1, 3, 2), (2, 1, 3), (2, 3, 1), (3, 1, 2) and (3, 2, 1) all have the same energy. We call these degenerate states.
Ok let me write what I have understood so far:
Each and every set of (l, m, n) gives a single state, and they are called Degenerate if they have same energy otherwise they are said to be non degenerate state.
So the word "state" in the density of states are these Degenerate and Non Degenerate states together, they can have same or different energies.
Is it right?
 
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atyy said:
Since jtbell answered your second question, I'll just answer the first. The Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy is ##-k_B\sum\nolimits p\ln{p}##. In the microcanonical ensemble, all states with the same energy have the same probability, so p is a constant. If there are ##W## states with the same energy, then ##p = 1/W##, and after summing over ##W## number of states, the Boltzmann-Gibbs entropy reduces to ##k_B \ln{W}## for the microcanonical ensemble, which is the formula you wrote.
What is the meaning of the ##W## here?
Is it the number of microstate or the number of ways that a microstate can be attended?
 
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Shan K said:
What is the meaning of the ##W## here?
Is it the number of microstate or the number of ways that a microstate can be attended?

In the microcanonical ensemble, ##W## is the number of microstates with energy E.
 
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atyy said:
In the microcanonical ensemble, ##W## is the number of microstates with energy E.

Then why do we maximize the number of ways by which a microstate can be achieved, when we derive the statistical distributions?
 
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Shan K said:
Then why do we maximize the number of ways by which a microstate can be achieved, when we derive the statistical distributions?

You don't. You maximize the number of ways a particular energy can be achieved.

Let's consider a probability distribution to correspond to an ensemble of systems. If each system has two states A and B with the same energy, one could get a particular energy if every system in the ensemble is in state A. But if 50% of the members of the ensemble are in state A, and 50% are in state B, the entropy of the distribution is maximized.
 
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atyy said:
You don't. You maximize the number of ways a particular energy can be achieved.

Let's consider a probability distribution to correspond to an ensemble of systems. If each system has two states A and B with the same energy, one could get a particular energy if every system in the ensemble is in state A. But if 50% of the members of the ensemble are in state A, and 50% are in state B, the entropy of the distribution is maximized.
Then we can say that at equilibrium with surrounding the system will have only those microstates that are in the favor of the energy that the system has in the equilibrium. We will have other microstates when the system is not in equilibrium but tending to equilibrium. But in equilibrium all the microstates are in favor of the equilibrium energy.
 

1. What is the difference between Statistical and Quantum Mechanics?

Statistical mechanics deals with the behavior of large systems of particles, while quantum mechanics deals with the behavior of individual particles on a microscopic scale. Statistical mechanics uses probability and statistics to describe the average behavior of a large number of particles, while quantum mechanics describes the behavior of individual particles in terms of wavefunctions.

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