News Someone show me the really vile prisoner abuse photos

[Adam]

But you have not seen those pictures. No one in the public that is making all of these comments about this "scandal" has seen them. No one who has said how horrible the pictures are has seen the pictures (of what Ihave already said is by far the worst treatment in this situation).

Again, you fail to show me and explain which picture elicits such a response and why.

Once again: Look at the pictures. You may learn something. Thus far you have refused to view the pictures, and all your whacky statements are based on that ignorance.

 

[member 5645]

Once again: Look at the pictures. You may learn something. Thus far you have refused to view the pictures, and all your whacky statements are based on that ignorance.

I've looked at every single one in every single one of your posts.
Are you are stating that you find them all equally horrific, and thus all equally justifiable catalysts for the response??
I repeat, you STILL have not explained the lapse and difference in response to this compared to other, far more horrific, events.


Whacky? Ignorance? Adam hominem.

 

[Adam]

So you saw the corpses?

 

[jimmy p]

Well I haven't heard of HUGE outrage from the Middle Eastern countries, other than reports from Al Jazeera and other Arabic sources. No real news on it on TV here, other than Americans being outraged.

The pictures that are really horrific are the Holocaust pictures and the Concentration camp pictures. These pictures nowadays arent much compared to those ones.

 

[Adam]

I'm surprised it isn't all over the new there. We see it every day on 4 or 5 channels, in a dozen languages, morning, afternoon, and evening.

 

[member 5645]

So you saw the corpses?

Yes, some dead guys with soldiers giving a thumbsup.

As I said earlier in this thread:
Stupid soldiers
They should and will be punished
Such a picture never caused such 'a scandal' before. So WHY now?

 

[Adam]

Why now? Well, usually the USA government is better at covering up its atrocities.

 

[member 5645]

Why now? Well, usually the USA government is better at covering up its atrocities.

So are we saying that there is a reasonable expecatation that Americans don't act like this?
If that is so, what happened to all of the antiamericanism polls that said most people hate us? They must have had SOME backing for their thoughts, or did they?

 

[Adam]

So are we saying that there is a reasonable expecatation that Americans don't act like this?

No. There is no reasonable expectation that the US does not act like this. That country's history is full of this sort of behaviour. They merely cover it up as much as possible.

If that is so, what happened to all of the antiamericanism polls that said most people hate us? They must have had SOME backing for their thoughts, or did they?

Of course. People hate the USA. That is the backing.

 

[member 5645]

No. There is no reasonable expectation that the US does not act like this. That country's history is full of this sort of behaviour. They merely cover it up as much as possible.


Of course. People hate the USA. That is the backing.

Well then there is where I hit the problem.
If there this is a common thing, and everyone hates us, and are founded in that hate because they KNOW this is a common thing, then why the shock?

You are telling me that the shock is because we DIDN'T cover it up well enough?? I find that a bit hard to believe.

 

[Adam]

Well then there is where I hit the problem.
If there this is a common thing, and everyone hates us, and are founded in that hate because they KNOW this is a common thing, then why the shock?
You are telling me that the shock is because we DIDN'T cover it up well enough?? I find that a bit hard to believe.

I don't seem to recall ever saying I am shocked by what the US forces have been getting up to in Iraq. I recall you using the word "shock" quite a lot.

 

[member 5645]

I don't seem to recall ever saying I am shocked by what the US forces have been getting up to in Iraq. I recall you using the word "shock" quite a lot.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=pictures+iraq+shocking

I am simply repeating what the news here and abroad is describing it as.

 

[phoenixy]

nah, there is no shock, nor was there any surprise. I knew from day 1 that something like this would happen sooner or later. It only gets interesting when it gets leak to the media. All of a sudden the pro-war hawks drop their morality high ground and proclaimed "can't expect too much from us, we are just human, not liberators", "that's bad, but not as bad as Saddam, so our sub-Saddam performance is freeing the Iraqis"

The hypocrisy is overwhelming

 

[Adam]

I would bet that the "shock" comes solely from teh US press sources, who have spent so much time and effort telling everyone the USA are the good guys. "I'm shocked! Our chaps couldn't do this!".

 

[kat]

I would bet that the "shock" comes solely from teh US press sources, who have spent so much time and effort telling everyone the USA are the good guys. "I'm shocked! Our chaps couldn't do this!".

You either are a selective reader/watcher or you're not accessing mainstream american media.

 

[Adam]

Actually we get two USA news shows per day, plus news from Asia, Africa, Europe, the Middle East, South America...

 

[kat]

Wow, Newsmap seems to show that Australia is even worse then the USA...

http://www.marumushi.com/apps/newsmap/newsmap.cfm

 

[Adam]

Start a thread about Australia's problems if you wish. Might as well, we have enough of them.

 

[studentx]

Well Adam, i think this ends your credibility. Australia, a country that committed more warcrimes than America, is your home land.

 

[member 5645]

I would bet that the "shock" comes solely from teh US press sources, who have spent so much time and effort telling everyone the USA are the good guys. "I'm shocked! Our chaps couldn't do this!".

Try the google link, includes international news sites, personal pages, etc.
From your buddies at al jazeera as well ( http://www.google.com/search?num=10...all&q=shocking+abu+site:english.aljazeera.net )

Or are you trying to avoid that questions now?
Thus far, the only shock is because you expected the USA to cover their tracks better. And then you say you weren't shocked after that

Try picking a single answer.

 

[member 5645]

Well Adam, i think this ends your credibility. Australia, a country that committed more warcrimes than America, is your home land.

While I fully enjoy you calling Adam out, do it in another thread please.

 

[selfAdjoint]

Geez, what a petty discussion. Am I personally untrustworthy because of Abu Ghreib? Does it impair my judgement that Hitler or Idi Amin was a monster? Guilt by association is a despicable way to argue.

 

[studentx]

Geez, what a petty discussion. Am I personally untrustworthy because of Abu Ghreib? Does it impair my judgement that Hitler or Idi Amin was a monster? Guilt by association is a despicable way to argue.

Selfadjoint, i know your question is supposedly a rethoric one, but it really isnt. Absolutely, you are guilty for a very large group of ppl and you are associated to Abu Ghreib, Vietnam and Hiroshima. Not by me tho, and my attack on Adam was meant as a joke. I apoligize on my knees to Adam and zero.

 

[Adam]

Well Adam, i think this ends your credibility. Australia, a country that committed more warcrimes than America, is your home land.

1) How does the fact that I am aware of my own government's problems have any effect on anyone's credibility?

2) Why do you think anyone on this Earth would care about your opinion of anyone's credibility?

3) Can you address the topic in some rational manner?

4) Please list the war crimes of which you speak. Personally I know of some, but I won't help you out with it.

 

[Adam]

Try the google link, includes international news sites, personal pages, etc.
From your buddies at al jazeera as well ( http://www.google.com/search?num=10...all&q=shocking+abu+site:english.aljazeera.net )

Or are you trying to avoid that questions now?
Thus far, the only shock is because you expected the USA to cover their tracks better. And then you say you weren't shocked after that

Try picking a single answer.

I have not avoided any questions. Try typing the truth for a change. Once again, I was not shocked by the actions in question. I have heard the news reporters mention the word, and I have seen you use the word.

Unless you have some evidence to support your assertion that I was shocked for some reason...? Nope, didn't think so.

Get back on topic, please.

 

[Adam]

While I fully enjoy you calling Adam out, do it in another thread please.

Um... he didn't. In case you haven't noticed, studentx is barely coherent at the best of times. I realize this post is not on topic, but please, studentx and phatmonky, I am asking you to stick to the topic.

 

[ptex]

Here you go I have more also. Read the cardboard.

 

[member 5645]

I have not avoided any questions. Try typing the truth for a change. Once again, I was not shocked by the actions in question. I have heard the news reporters mention the word, and I have seen you use the word.

Unless you have some evidence to support your assertion that I was shocked for some reason...? Nope, didn't think so.

Get back on topic, please.

Your assertion was that it's only USA news sources (don't make me quote it for you). I showed it wasn't.
SHOCKING is what the bulk of the world's large media is using to describe it. Politicians around the world are calling it shocking.
People on the BBC, and on personal pages (in that search) are callign it shocking.

So, why the shock? No one can answer this.

 

[Adam]

Ah, thanks for clarifying what you were trying to say.

Have you ever watched Parliament Question Time? If a Labour politician sneezes at the wrong time, looks left instead of right, says "girl" instead of "person", or whatever, the Liberal speaker says he is shocked and outraged.

Apart from that sort of thing, the USA has been pumping out gigwatts of PR for decades telling people what good guys they are. I don't know why anyone ever believed it, after the things that state has done, but they did it anyway. And if you tell people something often enough, they start to believe it, no matter how fanciful it may be. Thus the press can say they are shocked, when in truth they really know what's going on.