Sophisticated tiling in Medieval ME architecture

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The discussion centers around the mathematical and artistic significance of tiling in Medieval Middle Eastern architecture, particularly focusing on the discovery and proof of regular tilings of the plane by Muslim artists. It explores the historical context, the nature of proof in mathematics, and the cultural implications of these findings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Muslim artists discovered all 17 regular tilings of the plane before Western mathematicians proved that these were the only possibilities using group theory.
  • There is a distinction made between discovering the 17 regular tilings and proving that there are precisely 17, with some arguing that the artists may have believed in the exactness of their findings within their own standards of proof.
  • One participant suggests that the presence of 17 tilings in a mosque indicates that the artists were convinced of the existence of these symmetry groups.
  • Another participant expresses doubt that the artists held their findings as a theorem, leading to a discussion about the nature of proof and acceptance in mathematics.
  • A comparison is drawn to the "bridges of Konigsberg" problem, suggesting that acceptance of a solution does not always require formal proof.
  • It is mentioned that the extent of mathematical understanding among the designers of these patterns remains unknown, and there is a call to avoid cultural biases in evaluating their contributions.
  • One participant questions why physicists are receiving more attention than mathematicians regarding the use of Islamic tile patterns in education and research.

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Participants express differing views on whether the Muslim artists considered their findings as a theorem, and there is no consensus on the nature of their proofs or understanding of the mathematics involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of cultural biases in evaluating historical mathematical contributions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the historical context of mathematical proofs and the cultural interpretations of rigor in mathematics. There are unresolved questions about the depth of mathematical knowledge possessed by the artists and the standards of proof they may have adhered to.

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I found this quite interesting. Enjoy.

http://www.physics.harvard.edu/~plu/publications/Science_315_1106_2007.pdf
 
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Muslim artists discovered all 17 regular tilings of the plane, long before westerners proved that this exhausted the possibilities using their "Group theory".
 
discovering 17 regular tilings is strictly distinct from showing that there are precisely 17 regular tilings.
 
discovering 17 regular tilings is strictly distinct from showing that there are precisely 17 regular tilings.

Granted, but its not as if they coincendentally stopped at 17. A mosque in Delambre has 17 tilings, each one representing one of the symmetry groups.

The muslim artists had clearly convinced themselves, within their standards of proof, that there were exactly 17 regular tilings of the plane.

Granted their 'proof by example' is not acceptable by our standards, but that is a judgement issue of rigor, what is not in doubt is that they held it as a theorem in their day.
 
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Granted their 'proof by example' is not acceptable by our standards, but that is a judgement issue of rigor, what is not in doubt is that they held it as a theorem in their day.

I, for one, doubt that they held it as a theorem.
 
I, for one, doubt that they held it as a theorem.

Alright, I concede.

Consider the 'bridges of Konigsberg" problem, treated by Euler. I am sure that many people accepted that such a circuit was impossible who did not posess a proof. Because the problem of classifying plane tilings is more difficult then the Konigsberg bridge problem, I am impressed that these artists solved the problem in so far as they did.
 
btw, folks, there is an article in the NY Times about this as well today (2/27).

Incidentally, it is *unknown* how much the designers of these patterns knew about the mathematics involved. It is entirely possible that someone during the, oh, about 500 years of the Islamic middle ages derived what we would call a rigorous proof of the existence of the 17 regular tilings or of the quasicrystal tilings. One should always try to leave one's cultural biases at the door when exploring these types of topics. Our group-theoretical mechanics of proving the former may not be the only way.

What I'm curious, though, is why the physicists are getting all the press about this. Mathematicians -- particularly, mathematical educators -- have been utilizing Islamic tile patterns for decades both as research and as a method to teach geometrical thinking.
 

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