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The discussion revolves around the nature of diffracted waves originating from slits, particularly focusing on the implications of slit width and the arrangement of sources within the slit. Participants explore both macroscopic and microscopic perspectives on diffraction, including mathematical representations and conceptual analogies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that slits can be viewed as containing an infinite number of sources for diffracted waves, but question how these sources are spaced within a finite width slit.
  • One participant suggests that diffraction is observable when the wavelength is comparable to the slit width, emphasizing the importance of the scale of the sources.
  • Another participant argues that integrating contributions from an infinite number of infinitesimally-wide sources leads to the standard intensity formula for single-slit diffraction, referencing mathematical derivations available in optics textbooks.
  • A different viewpoint presents a geometric series approach to phasor addition, leading to a modified intensity formula that accounts for the number of sources and their spacing.
  • There is a suggestion that if the wavelength is significantly larger than the slit length, the interference effects may arise from multiple slits rather than a single slit of finite width.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of source spacing and the resulting diffraction patterns. There is no consensus on the best model or interpretation of the phenomena discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of integrating contributions from multiple sources and the dependence on the definitions of source spacing and slit width. The discussion reflects various assumptions about the nature of light and diffraction that remain unresolved.

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For diffraction you can assume slits in screens contain sources for the diffracted waves.

But for a slit of finite width, how far apart are the sources? If the sources are continuously placed in the gap, then that means there are an infinite number of sources. An infinite number of sources with little spacing between them only produces a beam in one direction, and you won't get any diffraction.
 
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Hi, my opinions are as follows. I hope they can be helpful for you.
At the macroscopic level, the diffraction can be observed when the wavelength is comparable to the width of the slit.
At the microscopic level, according to your views, the diffraction can be thought of the superposition of infinite sources placed along the slit by a very small scale. Then, i think here is the key point. The very small scale means the difference of light path between two neighboring source are small. However, the superposition of infinite number of sources can arise an evident effect which can be seen on the screen. This is analogy to the calculation of area in calculus. When the delta x goes to infinity, the area of per rectangle approaches 0, however, the number of rectangle becomes infinity. The overall result of the sum of infinite rectangles is the real area of a certain curve.
 


RedX said:
If the sources are continuously placed in the gap, then that means there are an infinite number of sources. An infinite number of sources with little spacing between them only produces a beam in one direction,

No. When you integrate (add) the contributions from an infinite number of infinitesimally-wide sources, you get the usual intensity formula for single-slit diffraction. You can find the mathematical derivation using an integral, in any intermediate-level optics textbook. It's also possible to do the integration graphically using phasors (phase vectors), as on this page:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/phyopt/sinint.html#c1
 


You're all right. Most books only consider slits of infinitismal width, but I worked it out.

You can add n phasors using a geometric series:

[tex]1+e^{i\phi}+e^{2i\phi}+...+e^{(n-1)i\phi}=<br /> \frac{e^{in\phi}-1}{e^{i\phi}-1}<br /> =phase*<br /> \frac{sin(n \phi/2)}{sin(\phi/2)}[/tex]

The intensity is [tex]I=\left(\frac{sin(n \phi/2)}{sin(\phi/2)}\right)^2[/tex]

Now each phasor had amplitude 1, but I guess it would make more sense to say each amplitude is 1/n. That way no matter how many sources you put in the slit, the you'll get the same intensity at phi=0. So the new intensity is:

[tex]I=\frac{1}{n^2}\left(\frac{sin(n \phi/2)}{sin(\phi/2)}\right)^2[/tex]

Allow the phase difference to be [tex]\phi=dsin\theta \frac{2\pi}{\lambda}[/tex] where theta is the angle to the screen and d is distance between sources, then:

[tex]I=\frac{1}{n^2}\left(\frac{sin(nd sin\theta \pi / \lambda )}{sin(\pi d sin\theta / \lambda)}\right)^2[/tex]

But nd=L, or the length of the slit, and the denominator is small since d is small so this is:[tex]I=\frac{1}{n^2} \frac{\lambda^2}{\pi^2d^2sin^2\theta} (sin(L sin\theta \pi / \lambda) )^2 =<br /> <br /> \frac{\lambda^2}{\pi^2L^2sin^2\theta} (sin(L sin\theta \pi / \lambda) )^2=<br /> \left(\frac{sin(x)}{x}\right)^2[/tex]

So if x is small, you'll get peaks. So if the wavelength is a lot larger than the length, then interference comes from multiple slits, and not a single slit of finite width.
 

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