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The discussion highlights the ongoing advancements and events in the aerospace sector, including the upcoming SpaceX Dragon launch and its significance for cargo delivery to the ISS. Participants share links to various articles detailing recent missions, such as NASA's Juno spacecraft studying Jupiter's Great Red Spot and the ExoMars mission's progress. There is also a focus on the collaboration between government and private sectors in space exploration, emphasizing the potential for technological advancements. Additionally, the conversation touches on intriguing phenomena like the WorldView-2 satellite's debris event and the implications of quantum communication technology demonstrated by China's Quantum Science Satellite. Overall, the thread serves as a hub for sharing and discussing significant aerospace developments.
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A Northrop Grumman building exploded. It seems to be involved in the production of solid rocket motors. Atlas, Vulcan Centaur, SLS and Minotaur all use boosters from Northrop Grumman.
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The first batch of Kuiper satellites is ready for launch, bad weather shifted the launch date to April 14.
Delayed again for some unknown reason. No new launch date.
 
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Launch failure for Alpha on its 6th flight. During stage separation, an explosion-like event destroyed the nozzle of the upper stage engine. It still fired for the full duration, but didn't provide enough thrust to reach orbit.

View in flight
Comparison with a previous flight

Only two launches were fully successful, two delivered payloads to lower than expected orbits, two failed.

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The Kuiper satellites finally launched, starting the constellation. The system is similar to Starlink, they'll need 20+ launches and hundreds of satellites before they can offer some useful service.

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6 orbital launches in 18 hours, a new record.
Long March 5B, Falcon 9, Atlas V, Falcon 9, Vega-C, Firefly Alpha
 
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The opposite of launch is - re-entry. Some stages don't go to orbit, some launches fail, and some mission fail with spacecraft returning to earth's atmosphere.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/soviet-kosmos-482-spacecraft-crashes-earth-rcna205579

Kosmos 482 was launched in 1972 and failed to achieve its mission of Venus. Kosmos returned this weekend, falling into the eastern Indian Ocean, somewhere near Sumatra or Java, or NW of Western Australia.

Roscosmos, the Russian Space Agency reports that “the spacecraft entered the dense layers of the atmosphere at 9:24 Moscow time, 560 km west of Middle Andaman Island, and fell into the Indian Ocean west of Jakarta.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericma...482-location-after-reentry-baffling-watchers/

Different models show different possible locations of impact with the surface.


The Aerospace Corportation was tracking the craft as were others.

It’s not unusual for space junk to fall back to Earth. More than 2,400 human-made objects fell from space in 2022, a record number, according to the ESA. The vast majority of them burned up in Earth’s atmosphere, and most of those that didn’t splashed into an ocean.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/soviet-kosmos-482-spacecraft-crashes-earth-rcna205579

With ore satellites being launched by many more nations, more satellites will continue re-entering earth's orbit. Some companies are exploring a recycle or repair effort, especially for satellites containing expensive alloys.
 
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Astronuc said:
some launches fail, and some mission fail with spacecraft returning to earth's atmosphere.
I am reminded of a long ago failure of a Venus probe Kosmos 96 which also failed to achieve transfer orbit. It fell to Earth producing a vivid sky display which has been associated with the Kecksburg incident UFO. As a youngster in Springfield, Ohio I remember stargazing that December evening with my friend Joe and his new birthday telescope when the whole sky lit up. I immediately thought that this was a nuclear strike on nearby Wright-Patterson AFB and was therefore pleasantly surprised that we did not, in fact, need to "duck and cover". It was the most impressive bolide I have ever personally seen.
 
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I’m seeing increased speculation about pogo being the issue with the v2 Starships. Given the size of the vehicle and how much of a problem it was with other large boosters, I think it’s certainly possible.

I would normally express some disbelief about SpaceX overlooking something important like that, as they’re now a pretty experienced company, but there’s definitely been some other seemingly obvious things that have been overlooked so far on this program. No deluge system or flame diverters on the Superheavy launch pad, anyone?
 
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Flyboy said:
seeing increased speculation about pogo being the issue with the v2 Starships.
Can you link to something that explains pogo? I'm curious how that works. Thanks.
 
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berkeman said:
Can you link to something that explains pogo? I'm curious how that works. Thanks.
I’m not fully through the video yet, but so far this has been giving an excellent breakdown of not only what pogo is, but how it might be only affecting v2 ‘Ships, and possible remedies for it:
 
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That's the video I linked to earlier.
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No deluge system or flame diverters on the Superheavy launch pad, anyone?
The water-cooled metal plate was already planned - SpaceX expected the concrete pad to work for one launch. The pad was severely damaged but the rocket still took off.
I'm sure they studied POGO oscillations but something must have been wrong in the simulations.
We'll get an update on Mars plans before the next Starship launch.

Gilmour Space plans to launch their first rocket tomorrow. So far everything looks good. No livestream.
Edit: Delayed due to an issue in the ground support system.
 
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mfb said:
Gilmour Space plans to launch their first rocket tomorrow. So far everything looks good. No livestream.
Edit: Delayed due to an issue in the ground support system.
The front fell off.
That's not very typical, and it means the rocket won't leave the environment for now.
 
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Well, no harm done, no loss of vehicle…

Learning experience.
 
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Launch failure of PSLV. Something went wrong with the third stage.
It carried EOS-09, an Indian Earth observation satellite. PSLV was on a streak of 21 successful launches in a row.

The FAA has approved modifications to Starship's launch license and the accident report for flight 8 has been submitted May 14. That submission only happens after the FAA is happy with everything so an approval within a week is likely, and Starship is on track for a launch this month. No official launch date yet so it's at least a few days away, May 27 is an option.
 
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Reentry of the Varda space capsule as seen by an on-board camera:



It gets hot around ~11:00, parachute deployment happens at 17:10. The capsule launched in March and reentered May 14.
Varda manufactures crystals in microgravity which can't be made on Earth, mostly targeting pharmaceuticals.

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China prepares a Long March 3B to launch Tianwen-2 on May 28. It will be China's first asteroid sample return mission, and the first asteroid sample return mission overall that attempts to land and drill into the surface for samples.
 
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According to this article , the brits have officially complained about the repeated littering of their Caribbean Islands by Starship launches.
More than ever, this puts SpaceX under the gun for avoiding this outcome a third time.
Basically, the experimenting is over. If they accidently pepper the Caribbean again, the political and regulatory consequences could reasonably grounded Starship for well over 6 months.

I am actually surprised that SpaceX hasn't offered some kind of token bounty on the recovery of Starship parts found by residents in those islands. It would be the neighborly thing to do and would likely get those residents to feel a more positive connection to the Starship program.
 
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I am actually surprised that SpaceX hasn't offered some kind of token bounty on the recovery of Starship parts found by residents in those islands. It would be the neighborly thing to do and would likely get those residents to feel a more positive connection to the Starship program.
I imagine that the lawsuits from people picking up hazardous waste products might outweigh the benefit.
 
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SpaceX's website is up.
The launch window opens Tuesday, May 27, 6:30 p.m. CT = 11:30 pm UTC

Flight 8 report
Probably the most important update here: Despite looking similar, flight 8 had a completely different failure mechanism than flight 7.

On the ship side, flight 9 should do what flight 7 and 8 attempted - get ship v2 to an almost-orbital trajectory, deploy some Starlink dummy satellites, start an engine in space, then perform reentry.

The booster will be reused as expected. It won't return to the launch site, SpaceX wants to test some contingency maneuvers with the landing burn.
 
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https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1OwxWXMRAXmKQ

6 minutes until the Starship launch.

Successful launch.
Booster was lost testing some more aggressive landing maneuver over the ocean.

The ship is in its almost-orbital trajectory. Looks like there was some fire in the engine bay for a while but that stopped later.

Some issue with the payload door, no Starlink deployment. They also lost attitude control so the reentry is likely doomed.

Edit: As expected, broke up on reentry.
 
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Sorry, couldn’t resist sharing it. 😆

All memes aside, sounds like there’s still quite a few gremlins lurking in Starship. Perhaps it’s a good thing it burned up… god forbid it gets wet. 😏
 
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Delayed Starship update
Mostly things we already knew. They want to catch a ship later this year and demonstrate propellant transfer in 2026. If that works, they'll send ships to Mars in late 2026 to demonstrate landing and to explore the landing site. They'll fly with minimal payload to reduce the number of refueling flights needed.

Most of the current issues with the ship seem to come from leaks. Raptor 2 has tons of individual pipes everywhere. Raptor 3 integrates them into a solid structure, so it's probably far less susceptible to these things. They don't have enough of them to abandon Raptor 2 yet, however.
 
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Hakuto-R Mission 2 is planned to land on the Moon on June 6. It includes the first European Moon rover (small and just 5 kg).
The first mission crashed into the Moon after having trouble determining its altitude.


The second batch of 27 Kuiper satellites is planned to launch on June 13, about 6 weeks after the first one. This suggests they didn't have any major issues with the first batch.
To meet the July 30, 2026 deadline for 50% completion, they need to launch an average (3,236/2 - 29)/421 = 3.8 satellites per day from now on, so far they are not matching that. It's likely Amazon will need an extension, but if they have a good launch rate by then they are likely to get it.


Axiom-4 is planned to launch June 9. It will stay with the ISS for about two weeks.
India booked a seat for Shubhanshu Shukla, collecting spaceflight experience as they are developing their own crewed spacecraft Gaganyaan.
Poland and Hungary send one astronaut each.
Peggy Whitson should become #8 by most time in space at ~690 days (she is already #1 in the US, two months ahead of Sunita Williams).

It will be the first non-NASA Dragon mission where everyone is a professional astronaut - in the sense that they trained as astronauts in general before being assigned to this mission. They have a large list of experiments, mostly biological.
 
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Update on Psyche - NASA Switches to Backup Fuel Line After Psyche Thruster Glitch
The spacecraft is en route to a metal-rich asteroid. Hopefully, its backup propellant line can get it there by August 2029.

https://gizmodo.com/nasa-switches-to-backup-fuel-line-after-psyche-thruster-glitch-2000608685

Less than two years after launch, NASA’s Psyche spacecraft experienced a glitch in its propulsion system that’s now jeopardizing its mission to explore a unique metallic asteroid in the main belt. NASA engineers, ever resourceful, implemented a fix for the spacecraft’s unexpected drop in pressure by switching to a backup line—one they hope will help Psyche reach its namesake asteroid.

Earlier in April, the team of engineers with the Psyche mission detected an unexpected decrease in fuel pressure in the spacecraft’s propulsion system. The issue needed to be resolved before mid-June, otherwise it would have affected the spacecraft’s trajectory towards the Psyche asteroid. After investigating, the team recently switched from the primary propellant line to a backup that NASA says is identical. The Psyche spacecraft remains on course to rendezvous with the asteroid in August 2029.

Psyche’s thrusters, powered by two large solar arrays, ionize and expel xenon gas to gently propel the spacecraft, according to NASA. The spacecraft began firing its thrusters in May 2024, but just over a year later, engineers detected a pressure drop in the line that delivers xenon gas to the thrusters—from 36 pounds per square inch (psi) to about 26 psi, according to NASA.
 
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mfb said:
Hakuto-R Mission 2 is planned to land on the Moon on June 6. It includes the first European Moon rover (small and just 5 kg).
The first mission crashed into the Moon after having trouble determining its altitude.
In the night to June 6 in Japan, so this is earlier than I expected: In 1.5 hours

 
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Likely crashed. Looks like the problem was with the altitude measurement again, but this time the laser rangefinder:
The laser rangefinder used to measure the distance to the lunar surface experienced delays in obtaining valid measurement values. As a result, the lander was unable to decelerate sufficiently to reach the required speed for the planned lunar landing. Based on these circumstances, it is currently assumed that the lander likely performed a hard landing on the lunar surface.
 
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It's not easy. China has a 4/4 track record, Firefly landed properly, everyone else had problems on their first attempt. The US needed four attempts in the 1960s, although the first mission to actually reach the Moon landed successfully.
  • SpaceIL (Israel): Failure
  • India: Failure, success
  • Japan: Failure, success
  • ispace (Japan): Failure, failure
  • Astrobotic (US): Failure (didn't reach the Moon)
  • Intuitive Machines (US): Landed on its side, landed on its side again
  • Firefly (US): Success
 

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