Spaces of Constant Curvature and the Ricci Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Riemann tensor, Ricci tensor, and constant curvature in the context of general relativity, particularly focusing on vacuum solutions and the implications of dimensionality on these concepts. The scope includes theoretical considerations and clarifications regarding the nature of curvature in different dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a Riemann tensor that implies constant curvature necessarily leads to a vanishing Ricci tensor, suggesting a misunderstanding of the relationship between the two tensors.
  • Others clarify that solutions with constant curvature can still have a non-vanishing Ricci tensor, particularly in the presence of a cosmological constant.
  • A participant notes that in dimensions less than four, the vanishing of the Ricci tensor is trivial, as the Riemann tensor reduces to the Ricci tensor or Ricci scalar, leading to flat solutions that do not conform to general relativity.
  • There is a contention regarding the classification of constant curvature solutions as vacuum solutions, with some arguing that examples like Einstein's static cosmology contradict this classification.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of constant curvature in different contexts, such as Riemannian versus semi-Riemannian geometries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of constant curvature for the Ricci tensor and the classification of solutions as vacuum solutions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions and relationships between the Riemann and Ricci tensors, as well as the implications of dimensionality on the nature of solutions in general relativity.

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Hi all, I was just interested in verification of a concept. If we are given the full Riemann tensor in the form which implies constant curvature (i.e. lambda multiplying metric components) does this imply that the Ricci tensor vanishes? The question stems from why the vacuum equations cannot be constructed in dimensions less than 4. Thanks for any clarification!
 
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Airsteve0 said:
If we are given the full Riemann tensor in the form which implies constant curvature (i.e. lambda multiplying metric components)

This doesn't sound right to me. Could you write out the equation you have in mind? You seem to be confusing the existence of a cosmological constant term with constant curvature. Do you mean Riemann tensor, or Ricci tensor? If you really mean the Riemann tensor, then there are 4 indices, which can't be equated to the 2 indices of the metric.

Are you specifically interested in the Riemannian case, or semi-Riemannian as well? E.g., are you talking about applications such as cosmology, where the curvature of the spacetime is clearly not constant, but the spatial geometry of a hypersurface of constant t is a constant-curvature space?
 
Airsteve0 said:
Hi all, I was just interested in verification of a concept. If we are given the full Riemann tensor in the form which implies constant curvature (i.e. lambda multiplying metric components) does this imply that the Ricci tensor vanishes? The question stems from why the vacuum equations cannot be constructed in dimensions less than 4. Thanks for any clarification!

Solutions with constant curvature are vacuum solutions of the EFE, either with, or without cosmology constant(like the static ones such as Schwarzschild's), since you seem to be talking about those with lambda i.e you said"( lambda multiplying metric components)", then obviously the Ricci tensor doesn't vanish:it is lambda times the metric.
 
Airsteve0 said:
The question stems from why the vacuum equations cannot be constructed in dimensions less than 4. Thanks for any clarification!

It is not so much that they can be constructed but the vanishing of the Ricci tensor in less than 4-dim is trivial in the sense that the Riemann tensor reduces to the Ricci tensor (or to the Ricci scalar in two dim.) and making the Riemann tensor zero gets you a flat solution, which is not GR anymore.
 
TrickyDicky said:
Solutions with constant curvature are vacuum solutions of the EFE

This is incorrect. For example, Einstein's static cosmology (i.e., dust plus a fine-tuned cosmological constant) has constant curvature but is not a vacuum solution.
 
bcrowell said:
This is incorrect. For example, Einstein's static cosmology (i.e., dust plus a fine-tuned cosmological constant) has constant curvature but is not a vacuum solution.

Indeed, I should have said that constant curvature solutions have Ricci tensor of the form:metric times a constant k, and that vacuum solutions also have this form, with k=0 for the ones without cosmological constant, and k=lambda for the ones with.
So my phrasing was backwards.
 
In dimension<4,einstein eqn. are trivial(without cosmological constant).
 

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