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The discussion revolves around the question of how long it would take for a clock on Earth to differ from a clock on a spaceship moving away from Earth at a constant speed of 300 m/s. The topic touches on concepts of time dilation, synchronization conventions, and the implications of relativity in comparing time between different frames of reference.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical approach using the time dilation formula from relativity to calculate the time difference, concluding it would take approximately 63,332 years for the clocks to differ by 1 second.
  • Another participant argues that there is no unique way to compare clocks that are not in the same location, suggesting that the question lacks a definitive answer due to varying frames of reference.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of recognizing assumptions made in the original question, indicating that different observers would yield different answers based on their relative motion.
  • There is a contention regarding whether the original poster (OP) is seeking an objective time difference, with some suggesting that the OP's question may stem from common misconceptions about relativity.
  • A later reply highlights the necessity of being aware of assumptions to avoid misunderstandings about the consistency of relativity.

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Participants generally disagree on the nature of the question posed by the OP, with some believing it seeks a straightforward answer while others argue that the question is inherently ambiguous and lacks a unique solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the OP's intent and the implications of relativity.

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The discussion reveals limitations in the assumptions made about the frames of reference and the synchronization conventions that could affect the interpretation of time differences. The lack of clarity in the OP's question contributes to the complexity of the responses.

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Spaceship moves away from the Earth at a constant speed of 300 m/s. How long would it take for a clock on the Earth to differ from a clock in the spaceship by 1 second.
 
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Interesting question.

Recall that

$$t=\frac{\tau}{\sqrt{1-\left(\frac{v}{c}\right)^2}}$$

Where ##t## is the time measured on Earth, ##\tau## is the proper time measured on the spaceship, ##v## is the velocity of the spaceship, and ##c## is the speed of light.

What we want to find is ##\tau## when

$$\tau+1=\frac{\tau}{\sqrt{1-\left(\frac{300}{299\,729\,458}\right)^2}}$$

which gives

$$\Rightarrow\tau+1=1.000000000000500692525630328937507832865359772...\tau$$

which means that for every second that passes on the spaceship, ~1.0000000000005 passes on Earth. Making ##1.0000000000005...=\gamma## for ease,

$$\tau+1=\gamma\tau$$

$$\frac{\tau+1}{\tau}=\gamma$$

$$\Rightarrow\frac{\tau}{\tau}+\frac{1}{\tau}=\gamma$$

$$\Rightarrow 1+\frac{1}{\tau}=\gamma$$

$$\Rightarrow \tau=\frac{1}{\gamma-1}$$

$$\therefore \tau=1.9972337289059503848273053279826226...\times 10^{12}$$

Therefore, it would take ##~1.997234\times 10^{12}## seconds, or around ##63\,332## years(!), for a clock on the Earth to differ from a clock in the spaceship by 1 second.
 
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Pritamstar said:
Spaceship moves away from the Earth at a constant speed of 300 m/s. How long would it take for a clock on the Earth to differ from a clock in the spaceship by 1 second.
There is no non-arbitrary answer to this question (@A Lazy Shisno is making assumptions). There is no unique way to compare clocks that aren't in the same place, so there is a range of possible approaches to answering the question.

Conventionally, you would adopt the Einstein synchronisation convention. But you didn't say how long it takes for who. An observer in Earth's rest frame? An alien passing by at half the speed of light? Somebody doing 300m/s relative to the Earth in the opposite direction? All will have different answers.
 
Ibix said:
There is no non-arbitrary answer to this question (@A Lazy Shisno is making assumptions).

That may be so, but both you and I know what answer the OP was looking for ;)
 
A Lazy Shisno said:
That may be so, but both you and I know what answer the OP was looking for ;)
On the contrary, I believe that the OP was making the false (and very common among laypeople) assumption that there somehow is a unique and objective time difference. As such, the OP might be looking for an answer that does not exist and Ibix is certainly correct in pointing this out rather than perpetuating the OP's misconceptions about relativity.
 
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A Lazy Shisno said:
That may be so, but both you and I know what answer the OP was looking for ;)
Failing to be aware of the assumptions you made is how people end up with the notion that relativity is inconsistent. The thread is marked for university-level answers and anyone not developing a reflex of worrying about this kind of detail is going to start struggling with relativity at that level.
 
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Spaceship moves away from the Earth at a constant speed of 300 m/s. How long would it take for a clock on the Earth to differ from a clock in the spaceship by 1 second.
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