Spacetime Interval & Metric: Equivalent?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between the spacetime interval and the spacetime metric in the context of general relativity. Participants explore whether the statements "The spacetime interval is invariant" and "The spacetime metric is a tensor" are equivalent, delving into the implications of each statement.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the statements are not exactly equivalent but are closely related.
  • It is noted that the spacetime interval can be expressed as ##ds^2=g_{ab}dx^a dx^b##, indicating a connection to the metric tensor ##g_{ab}##.
  • There is a clarification that the metric tensor being a tensor allows for the contraction with infinitesimal vectors ##dx^{a}## to yield an invariant scalar ##ds^2##.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the classification of ##ds^2##, questioning whether it is a scalar or a four-vector.
  • One participant emphasizes that ##ds^2## is a scalar because it represents a single number that remains unchanged under Lorentz transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the statements are related but do not reach a consensus on their equivalence. Confusion persists regarding the nature of ##ds^2##, with differing views on whether it should be classified as a scalar or a four-vector.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion about the classification of ##ds^2##, with participants expressing differing interpretations that depend on their understanding of tensors and scalars in the context of spacetime.

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This may seem an odd question but it will clear something up for me. Are "The spacetime interval is invariant." and the "The spacetime metric is a tensor." exactly equivalent statements? Does one imply more or less information than the other?

Thanks!
 
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They aren't exactly equivalent, but they are closely related. The space time interval is ##ds^2=g_{ab}dx^a dx^b##. Because the metric ##g_{ab}## is a tensor, contracting it with (infinitesimal) vectors ##dx^{a}## will yield an invariant scalar ##ds^2##.
 
Matterwave said:
They aren't exactly equivalent, but they are closely related. The space time interval is ##ds^2=g_{ab}dx^a dx^b##. Because the metric ##g_{ab}## is a tensor, contracting it with (infinitesimal) vectors ##dx^{a}## will yield an invariant scalar ##ds^2##.
Thanks! A little confused why you referred to ##ds^2## as a scalar. Isn't it a four-vector?
 
jmatt said:
Thanks! A little confused why you referred to ##ds^2## as a scalar. Isn't it a four-vector?
Nope. It's the scalar product of (differential) four-vectors.
 
jmatt said:
Thanks! A little confused why you referred to ##ds^2## as a scalar. Isn't it a four-vector?

Why would it be a 4 vector? What are the 4 components that you are thinking of? It is a scalar because it's just 1 single number, which does not change under an arbitrary Lorentz transformation.
 
Got it now. Thanks very much.
 

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