Spacing/population of rotational states

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The discussion revolves around a two-part question related to the population and spacing of rotational states in a molecular context, specifically involving the OH radical. The original poster mentions specific values such as wavelength and temperature, and seeks assistance in calculating energy spacing and population ratios for rotational states.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the spacing between rotational states and the population of a specific state but expresses confusion regarding the necessary parameters, particularly the rotational constant B. Other participants suggest that knowing the bond length could help determine B, while questioning the relevance of the provided wavelength.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for the bond length to calculate B, but there is no consensus on how to proceed without that information. The original poster is encouraged to continue seeking solutions.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the question is from a past exam, which may imply constraints on available information. There is uncertainty regarding the relevance of the provided wavelength in relation to the calculations needed.

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Homework Statement



This is a two part question I can do about half of each but get a little lost when trying to finish.

I have written all the values below but just in case the full question is here (sorry about clarity) - http://screencast.com/t/jHQTMFnYOhp

λ = 308nm
T = 2000K

population of ground state (j=0) is 3.6*1010 cm

(i) So we are trying to calculate the spacing (in cm-1) between the ground rotational state and the j =6.

(ii) The population of the rotational state j =6

Homework Equations



(i)
εj = BJ(J+1)
gj = 2J+1

(ii)
Nj/Nd = gj exp( -εj / KT)

The Attempt at a Solution



(i)
gj = (2*6) + 1 = 13 but this is only degeneracy

can also try:

wave number = 1 /λ = 1/308*10-9 but this is only the wave number of j=0 and not he distance between j = 0 --> 6?(ii)
use:
Nj/Nd = gj exp( -εj / KT)

We know gj, K, T Just need εj but how as we don't have a value for B?

Sorry if this is confusing and please let me know if I can clear anything up!
Thanks
David
 
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Hello, dscot. If you know the bond length of OH then you can calculate B. Then you could get the energy spacing between J = 0 and J = 6.
 
Hi TSny =)

I think I understand what you are saying but it doesn't look like the bond length was provided in the question? I'm just guessing here but maybe a clue is that its an OH radical? I could try google but this was a past exam question so I think there must be a way to figure it out?

Thanks!
 
I can't see a way to get B without knowing the bond length.

I also don't see the relevance of the 308 nm wavelength. That seems to me to be the wavelength corresponding to some electronic excitation of OH. I don't see how to use it to help answer the question.

Maybe someone else can help.
 
Hi TSny,

This does seem to be a tricky one, I'll keep trying and hopefully someone else might know :)

Thanks for trying!
David
 

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