Specific iron loss of transformer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of specific iron loss in the design of a three-phase distribution transformer. Participants explore various resources and formulas related to iron loss, including the Richter formula and manufacturer datasheets, while addressing the challenges faced by an undergraduate student in obtaining this information.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to calculate specific iron loss for transformer design, expressing difficulty in finding clear explanations.
  • Another participant mentions the "Richter formula" as an approximation of the Steinmetz formula for steel cores, suggesting it may be useful for understanding iron losses.
  • A participant notes that loss per pound versus magnetic flux density (B) is typically provided in manufacturers' datasheets for various alloys.
  • There is a suggestion to consult a "Brag Sheet" from suppliers, which may contain relevant information about iron loss characteristics.
  • A later reply expresses skepticism about deriving equations from first principles, indicating that it would be a time-consuming task.
  • One participant inquires about access to IEEE papers, suggesting that they may contain useful information but require membership for access.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for calculating iron loss, and multiple viewpoints regarding resources and formulas remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding the specific materials and conditions under which the calculations would apply.

Who May Find This Useful

Undergraduate students studying electrical engineering or related fields, professionals involved in transformer design, and individuals interested in the specifics of iron loss in electrical steels.

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I am designing 3ph distribution transformer.

So for calculations regarding to design, I want specific iron loss. I know how to find out iron loss but that requires initially specific iron loss of material, which i don't know how to calculate. I also searched it on google and in some books but I cannot get the exact explanation for calculating specific iron loss.

please can anyone tell me how to find out specific iron loss?
 
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- in this book there is the "Richter formula" (which is an approximation of the Steinmetz formula for steel cores) and parameters of electrical steels.
A more detailed description of iron losses seems to be in another book:
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Where do you plan to buy your iron ?
From what I've seen, loss per pound vs B is always given on manufacturer's datasheets for their various alloys.
 
AlexCaledin said:
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- in this book there is the "Richter formula" (which is an approximation of the Steinmetz formula for steel cores) and parameters of electrical steels.
A more detailed description of iron losses seems to be in another book:
41PDvs9uYoL._SX327_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
Thank you so much! I'll look into them
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jim hardy said:
Where do you plan to buy your iron ?
From what I've seen, loss per pound vs B is always given on manufacturer's datasheets for their various alloys.
Thank you for reply sir.
Yes. Specifications are mentioned on data sheet. But I am an undergraduate student and one of my professors asked me to calculate specific iron loss while desiging transformer.
Thanking you in anticipation.
 
Thakyou very much. I will find these books.
 
I don't know if this is anything like what you're after... every supplier should have "Brag Sheet" extolling the virtues of his products. This one's from an old line US manufacturer, "Magnetics". They sell worldwide .

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I don't know if this is anything like what you're after... every supplier should have "Brag Sheet" extolling the virtues of his products. This one's from an old line US manufacturer, "Magnetics". They sell worldwide .

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Yes sir.
I am trying to find out from given information.
 
tkulkarni39 said:
But I am an undergraduate student and one of my professors asked me to calculate specific iron loss while desiging transformer.

Wow - i'd be hard pressed to do that. Derive the equations from first principles ? Would take me weeks...

Can you access IEEE papers ? I saw several papers but they require membership. Probably your company library has access.
 

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