Speed of Light in a Medium: Explained

In summary, the speed of light in Cesium as a medium is actually higher than the speed of light in vacuum. This is due to the phenomenon of anomalous dispersion, which allows different frequencies of light to travel at different speeds.
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I know that the speed of light is different in different mediums. The speed of light in Cesium as a medium is actually higher than the speed of light in vacuum. How is that possible? Shouldn't it be fastest in vacuum?
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It's not a lie, just an oversimplification.

In some media such as glass, different frequencies of light travel at different speeds, a phenomenon called "dispersion". In some media, such as extremely carefully prepared clouds of ultra-cold caesium atoms, you get "anomalous dispersion". In media with anomalous dispersion you can get different frequencies to travel in such a way that they interfere to make a hump that "moves" smoothly along at any speed. But, crucially, the laser beam has to be already propagating all the way along where you want the hump to appear, and must be carefully pre-prepared.

This analogy is not perfect, but have you ever seen a Mexican wave in a sports stadium? One column of the audience stands up, and sits down as the column next to them stand up. A wave propagates around the arena like this. Its speed depends on how long it takes your average person to react to the person next to them moving and to stand up themselves. But, instead of doing it spontaneously, you could give everyone a watch and tell them: column 1 stands up at 12 o'clock, column 2 stands up at one quarter of a second past 12, column 3 at two quarter seconds past, and so on. The wave would go faster. And faster if you used tenths of a second instead of quarters, or hundredths of a second instead of tenths. Eventually, if you carry on shortening the time interval, the wave speed would exceed the speed of light (in principle - in reality, the precision necessary is well beyond human reaction capability). But that's fine because nothing is moving or communicating faster than light - the people are just executing pre-planned instructions to make a hump that "travels" while nothing is actually traveling in the direction the wave "moves".

This experiment is enormously more sophisticated than that, and it has highly technical implications for how one should talk about the speed of light in media with anomalous dispersion. But it's no challenge to relativity because it's not very different from the timed-Mexican-wave phenomenon.
 
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I know that the speed of light is different in different mediums. The speed of light in Cesium as a medium is actually higher than the speed of light in vacuum. How is that possible? Shouldn't it be fastest in vacuum?
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You're right: the speed of light is ##c## in vacuum, always less in a medium.

The experiment referenced in the link isn't demonstrating anything like what we usually mean when we talk about "faster than light". As I mentioned in your other thread, we have some older threads discussing what is going here in more detail. (Or you could just read @Ibix's post above, which landed while I was still writing this one)
 
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Ibix said:
It's not a lie, just an oversimplification.

In some media such as glass, different frequencies of light travel at different speeds, a phenomenon called "dispersion". In some media, such as extremely carefully prepared clouds of ultra-cold caesium atoms, you get "anomalous dispersion". In media with anomalous dispersion you can get different frequencies to travel in such a way that they interfere to make a hump that "moves" smoothly along at any speed. But, crucially, the laser beam has to be already propagating all the way along where you want the hump to appear, and must be carefully pre-prepared.

This analogy is not perfect, but have you ever seen a Mexican wave in a sports stadium? One column of the audience stands up, and sits down as the column next to them stand up. A wave propagates around the arena like this. Its speed depends on how long it takes your average person to react to the person next to them moving and to stand up themselves. But, instead of doing it spontaneously, you could give everyone a watch and tell them: column 1 stands up at 12 o'clock, column 2 stands up at one quarter of a second past 12, column 3 at two quarter seconds past, and so on. The wave would go faster. And faster if you used tenths of a second instead of quarters, or hundredths of a second instead of tenths. Eventually, if you carry on shortening the time interval, the wave speed would exceed the speed of light (in principle - in reality, the precision necessary is well beyond human reaction capability). But that's fine because nothing is moving or communicating faster than light - the people are just executing pre-planned instructions to make a hump that "travels" while nothing is actually traveling in the direction the wave "moves".

This experiment is enormously more sophisticated than that, and it has highly technical implications for how one should talk about the speed of light in media with anomalous dispersion. But it's no challenge to relativity because it's not very different from the timed-Mexican-wave phenomenon.

Wow. This is the best explenation I've ever heard. Thak you very much.
 

What is the speed of light in a medium?

The speed of light in a medium refers to the speed at which light travels through a specific material, such as air, water, or glass. It is typically slower than the speed of light in a vacuum, which is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second.

How is the speed of light in a medium different from the speed of light in a vacuum?

The speed of light in a vacuum is considered to be the fastest possible speed in the universe. In a medium, the speed of light is slowed down due to interactions with the particles in the material. This can be caused by factors such as density, temperature, and composition of the medium.

What is the refractive index and how does it affect the speed of light in a medium?

The refractive index is a measure of how much a material can bend light as it passes through it. It is defined as the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in the medium. The higher the refractive index, the slower the speed of light in that medium.

Can the speed of light in a medium be faster than the speed of light in a vacuum?

No, the speed of light in a medium can never be faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. This is a fundamental principle in physics known as the universal speed limit. The speed of light in a vacuum is considered to be the maximum speed at which energy, information, and matter can travel.

How does the speed of light in a medium affect the appearance of objects?

The speed of light in a medium can affect the way objects appear to us. For example, when light travels from air into water, it slows down and bends, causing objects to appear distorted or shifted. This is why objects underwater may seem closer or larger than they actually are.

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