Spherical coordinates - phi vs theta

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The discussion revolves around the geometric interpretation of spherical coordinates, specifically the roles of the angles theta (θ) and phi (φ) in defining surfaces. Participants are exploring why a constant θ results in a half-plane while a constant φ results in a half-cone.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the geometric implications of varying θ and φ, with some suggesting that the differences in their ranges contribute to the distinct shapes formed. There is also a suggestion to visualize the concepts using external resources.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have offered physical analogies to clarify the concepts, while others are seeking further understanding of the underlying geometry.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of different notational conventions in mathematics and physics, which may affect the interpretation of the angles. Additionally, the discussion highlights the importance of understanding the range of values for θ and φ in spherical coordinates.

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Homework Statement


My textbook states that when ##\theta = c ## where c is the constant angle with respect to the x-axis, the graph is a "half-plane". However, when ##\phi = c ## it is a half-cone. The only difference I see is that ##\phi## is the angle with respect to the z-axis, rather than the x-axis. Why is it that one ends up being a cone and the other a plane?

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That is the only part I don't understand. It is clear how ##\rho = c ## is a sphere, but why are ##\phi## and ##\theta## so different?
 
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Calpalned said:

Homework Statement


My textbook states that when ##\theta = c ## where c is the constant angle with respect to the x-axis, the graph is a "half-plane". However, when ##\phi = c ## it is a half-cone. The only difference I see is that ##\phi## is the angle with respect to the z-axis, rather than the x-axis. Why is it that one ends up being a cone and the other a plane?

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The Attempt at a Solution


That is the only part I don't understand. It is clear how ##\rho = c ## is a sphere, but why are ##\phi## and ##\theta## so different?

Look at the geometry. If you pick a point where ##\theta = c## and vary ##r>0## and ##\phi## do you see why you get a half plane? Now pick a point where ##\phi = c##. What happens to that point as you vary ##\theta##? When you very ##r##? It might help to be looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinate_system when you answer. Use the second picture there as it has the usual notation used in math.
 
Calpalned said:

Homework Statement


My textbook states that when ##\theta = c ## where c is the constant angle with respect to the x-axis, the graph is a "half-plane". However, when ##\phi = c ## it is a half-cone. The only difference I see is that ##\phi## is the angle with respect to the z-axis, rather than the x-axis.
You are mistaken. For one thing, \theta can range from 0 to 2\pi while \phi only ranges from 0 to \pi. Do you see why that is true?
("Mathematics notation" and "physics notation" reverse \theta and \phi. I am assuming that you are using "mathematics notation".)

Why is it that one ends up being a cone and the other a plane?

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The Attempt at a Solution


That is the only part I don't understand. It is clear how ##\rho = c ## is a sphere, but why are ##\phi## and ##\theta## so different?
 
How about some physical experience ?

Stand up straight and lift one arm straight up. Let the direction your feet are pointing in represent ##\theta## and the angle your arm makes with the vertical when you lower it represent ##\phi## ("math notation" - I didn't know it existed). Fortunately they have r in common :smile: imagine a very long arm...

Moving your arm up and down (##[0,\pi]##) with feet fixed defines a half plane.
And rotating on your feet (##[0,2\pi]##) with arm angle fixed gives you the cone. (I take it the mistake Ivy refers to is that it's a cone surface, not half a cone).

And now I will revert to "physics notation" in order not to confuse myself :wink: -- after all this is PF and not MF !
 

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