Spring & Capacitor Homework: Equations & Solutions

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The discussion centers on the calculations of forces between capacitor plates and their relationship to spring forces when a switch is opened or closed. The initial and final charges on the capacitor are defined as Q1=CV and Q2=2CV, leading to calculations of forces F1 and F2 based on these charges and the distances d1 and d2. Participants clarify that the capacitance and potential change affects the force calculations, resulting in different ratios of F1 to F2. Ultimately, the correct ratio is determined to be F2 = (16/9)F0, indicating that the spring stretches more in the latter case due to increased attractive force. The conversation emphasizes the importance of considering changes in capacitance and potential in such calculations.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



Force of attraction between the plates = (1/2)(QV)/d

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Initial charge on the capacitor Q1=CV
Final charge on the capacitor Q2=2CV

When switch is open force between the plates F1 = (1/2)(Q1V)/d1 = (1/2)(CV2)/d1

When switch is closed force between the plates F2 = (1/2)(Q2V)/d2 = (1/2)(2CV2)/d2

d2 = (3/2)d1

F1/F2 = 3/4 or F2 = (4/3)F1

The spring force also becomes 4/3 times of the initial force i.e (4/3)F0

Is it correct ?

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Vibhor said:
inal charge on the capacitor Q2=2CV
Be careful here, the capacitance changes.
The potential changes as well, which influences the calculation of F2.
 
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mfb said:
Be careful here, the capacitance changes.
The potential changes as well, which influences the calculation of F2.

:sorry:

F1/F2 = 8/9 or F2 = (9/8)F1

The spring force also becomes 9/8 times of the initial force i.e (9/8)F0

Is it correct now?
 
Can you show your steps? I get a different result.
 
Sorry once again .

It should be (16/9)F0 .

If it is wrong , i will surely show you the steps :smile: .
 
That agrees with the answer I got.
 
Thanks mfb .
 
The spring stretches in both the situations . More in the latter case , as attractive force between the plates gets stronger.

Right ?
 
Right. Which also means the system has to be moved a bit, otherwise the solution doesn't make sense.
 
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