Spring-damper system with sine input

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion for a spring-damper system with a sine input. Participants are focused on formulating a second-order differential equation that relates the output position of a block (y(t)) to the input position of a plate (u(t)). The context includes homework-related problem-solving in mechanical dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to represent the forces acting on the mass due to the spring and damper when the system is not fixed but attached to a plate with a sine input.
  • Another participant suggests that the spring force can be represented as proportional to the relative distance between the plate and the mass, proposing the equation Fk = k*[u(t) - y(t)].
  • A later reply indicates that a similar approach should be taken for the damping force, implying a need for consistency in how forces are represented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the need to represent the forces in terms of the relative positions of the mass and the plate, but the exact formulation and approach to deriving the equation of motion remain under discussion and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the participants' assumptions regarding the representation of forces and the relationship between the input and output variables, which may affect the derivation of the differential equation.

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Homework Statement



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Variable y(t) is the position of the block of mass m, and u(t) is the position of the plate on the right. The spring is unstretched when y = u. We can think of u(t) as the input and y(t) as the output.

Derive the equation of motion for the block. You should get a second order differential equation
relating the output y(t) and the input u(t).

Homework Equations



u(t) = sin3t

Fd = cy'

Fk = ky

F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution



The thing that confuses me about this problem is that the spring/damper combo is not fixed to something, but attached to a plate which has a sine input. I know the two forces acting on the mass are the spring and damper, but the sine force acts through those two components so I'm not sure how to represent this in a free body diagram to obtain the necessary equations.

My first thought was this:

my'' = cy'(t)*u(t) + ky(t)*u(t)
y'' = u(t)/m*[cy'(t) + ky(t)]

However, I'm not sure if multiplying the input to both the force of the damper and spring is correct. Could someone help me?
 
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The spring exerts a force proportional to how much it's stretched. How do you represent how much it's stretched in terms of u(t) and y(t)?
 
vela said:
The spring exerts a force proportional to how much it's stretched. How do you represent how much it's stretched in terms of u(t) and y(t)?

Well the spring would be stretched based upon the relative distance between the mass and the plate right? so would it be:

Fk = k*[u(t) - y(t)]

?
 
Yup, and you have a similar situation for the damping term.
 

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