Stability of an open loop controller

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The discussion revolves around the stability of an open loop controller in control systems, particularly focusing on the implications of modeling uncertainties and the behavior of poles and zeros in transfer functions. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical implications of controller design and stability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the transfer function of an open loop system and expresses confusion about the implications of modeling uncertainties on physical behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that the inability to perfectly counteract instability due to modeling uncertainties is a critical flaw in practical applications.
  • A later reply clarifies that a pole on the right half plane (RHP) indicates an exponentially increasing response, and emphasizes the difficulty of placing a zero in the same position as the pole.
  • It is noted that the only reliable method to stabilize the system is to remove the pole from the RHP entirely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of modeling uncertainties and the feasibility of counteracting unstable poles with zeros. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which mathematical modeling translates to physical stability.

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Limitations include assumptions about the accuracy of modeling and the physical realization of control systems, which may not fully align with theoretical predictions.

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Given the following Controller equation Gol(s) and Plant equation Dol(s) for an open loop system the transfer function can be expressed as a ratio of polynomials where:
Gol(s) = b(s)/a(s)and Dol = c(s)/d(s).

For the open loop system the transfer function Tol = Gol(s)Dol(s) = b(s)c(s)/a(s)d(s), the roots of the characteristic equation (the denominator) of this transfer function cannot have any roots in the RHP.

What I'm confused about is that my notes say "An attempt to cancel unstable roots of a(s) of the plant by using c(s) of the controller will be useless. Although, cancelled, physically the unstable pole still remains. The slightest modelling uncertainty will cause the output to diverge"

This doesn't make sense to me as it seems to be saying that the mathematical modelling of the physical plant doesn't actually fully impact what happens physically. How is this possible? I would think that if you design a controller based off of an equation that counteracts the instability of the other controller, how can this same thing not happen when you physically build the thing?
 
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icesalmon said:
The slightest modelling uncertainty will cause the output to diverge"
icesalmon said:
I would think that if you design a controller based off of an equation that counteracts the instability of the other controller,
It is saying that in real life your counteraction can not be perfect, the modeling uncertainty becomes a fatal flaw.
 
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This makes more sense to me now, thank you!
 
A pole on the RHP is a vertical asymptote. It represents an exponentially increasing wave.
Placing a zero in the exact same position is more difficult than eliminating the pole from the RHP.
The only sure way to stabilise the system is to remove the pole from the RHP.
 
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