Static engineering v -- stress/buckling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the minimum length of a column at which buckling is likely to occur, focusing on the application of relevant equations and material properties. Participants explore different methods for determining effective length and discuss potential modes of failure.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial calculation for the minimum length of the column, arriving at 6850.56 m, but does not provide detailed steps.
  • Another participant challenges the initial answer, suggesting that the calculations need to be shown step-by-step and emphasizes the importance of using correct unit names.
  • A different participant calculates the effective length using the least second moment of area and arrives at 6854 mm, confirming consistency with another method involving the radius of gyration.
  • One participant claims their answer of 5.94 m is correct, while another agrees with this conclusion.
  • A participant questions the mode of failure for the column and suggests buckling as a likely failure mode.
  • Another participant expresses frustration with the forum's response to homework questions, implying a lack of support.
  • One participant raises a concern about the ambiguity of the column's shape in the problem statement, questioning how to determine the shape without explicit information.
  • Another participant disputes the second moment of area calculation, providing a different length of 5.236 m.
  • Several participants express a desire for continued discussion on similar problems, indicating ongoing interest in the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct calculation for the minimum length of the column, with multiple competing views and methods presented. Participants disagree on the formulas used and the resulting values, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various calculations and methods, but there are unresolved issues regarding assumptions made about the column's shape and the accuracy of the formulas used. Some calculations are challenged without a clear resolution.

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Homework Statement



A column has the dimensions shown below...

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Column material properties:

young's Modulus E = 200 GN m^-2

Yield stress = 140 MN m^-2




Homework Equations




a) what is the minimum length of the column at which buckling is likely to occur?



The Attempt at a Solution




i got an answer of: 2*((118.74 * Sqrt((2.33x10^3)/(2800x10^-3))) = 6850.56 M
 
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oxon88: Your current answer is wrong. Try again. First, list relevant equations. And then show how you computed each numerical value used in your final equation.

By the way, MN*m^-2 is called MPa. And GN*m^-2 is called GPa. Always use the correct, special name for a unit. E.g., 140 MPa, not 140 MN*m^-2.
 

Homework Statement



a) what is the minimum length of the column at which buckling is likely to occur?


The Attempt at a Solution




least second moment of area. I = (B^4 - b^4)/12 = (80^4 - 60^4)/12 = 2.33x10^6

area. A = B^2 - b^2 = 80^2 - 60^2 = 2800

σ = 140x10^6

E = 200x10^9

effective slenderness ratio. E.S.R = sqrt(pi^2.E/σ) = sqrt(pi^2.(200x10^9)/(140x10^6)) = 118.74

effective length. L = (E.S.R). Sqrt(I/A) = 118.74(sqrt(2.33x10^3)/(2800)) = 3427.7


effective length = 1/2 column length. = 3427 x 2 = 6854 mm


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I also tried another method and got the same answer...


Least value of radius of gyration. K = (1/2).sqrt((B^2+b^2)/3) = 1/2 sqrt((80^2+60^2)/3) = 28.868

effective length. L = (E.S.R x k) = 28.868 x 118.74 = 3427.73

effective length = 1/2 column length. = 3427 x 2 = 6854 mm
 
ok. so i worked it out.

the answer is 5.94m
 
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ok. So if the column was to be 5.94 m. What would be the mode of failure? and at what load would you expect the failure to occur?

I guess it would be buckling?
 
any ideas?
 
useless forum...
 
We are not allowed to answer your homework questions for you.
 
  • #10
Hi all, I have the same question and was getting the same answers originally. I assume that your new answer is based on changing the formula to a hollow tube. I was wondering without being told in the question how we are supposed to determine what shape it is... Or am I being a bit thick...
 
  • #11
Wrong formula

The least second moment of area I about the xx axis is not what you stated so your value is incorrect. I get L = 5.236389088 m
 
  • #12
I am just wondering if this thread is still active as I am studying this question and facing similar problems to those on here
 
  • #13
David J said:
I am just wondering if this thread is still active as I am studying this question and facing similar problems to those on here
The last post was two years ago, so, no, it's not still active. :frown:

However, you can and should create your own, fresh thread. It's not like you can create only so many threads at PF before you run out. :wink:
 

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