Stationary distribution for a doubly stochastic matrix.

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The discussion revolves around finding the stationary distribution vector for a doubly stochastic matrix, with participants exploring the differences between stochastic and doubly stochastic matrices in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the method for finding the stationary distribution vector for stochastic matrices and question how this applies to doubly stochastic matrices. Some express confusion about why a specific distribution vector can be used without solving equations in the doubly stochastic case.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of doubly stochastic matrices, with some participants providing insights into the conditions under which the distribution vector can be assumed to be uniform. Others raise concerns about the validity of this assumption in certain cases, particularly regarding irreducibility and the structure of the matrix.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the identity matrix serves as a counterexample to the assumption that the distribution vector must be uniform, highlighting the need for additional qualifications in the discussion. There is also mention of specific conditions that must be met for the generalization to hold true.

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I can find the stationary distribution vector [itex]\boldsymbol\pi[/itex] for a stochastic matrix [itex]P[/itex] using:

[itex]\boldsymbol\pi P=\boldsymbol\pi[/itex], where [itex]\pi_1+\pi_2+\ldots+\pi_k=1[/itex]

However, I can't find a textbook that explains how to do this for a doubly stochastic (bistochastic) matrix. Could somebody show me how?
 
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spitz said:

Homework Statement



I can find the stationary distribution vector [itex]\boldsymbol\pi[/itex] for a stochastic matrix [itex]P[/itex] using:

[itex]\boldsymbol\pi P=\boldsymbol\pi[/itex], where [itex]\pi_1+\pi_2+\ldots+\pi_k=1[/itex]

However, I can't find a textbook that explains how to do this for a doubly stochastic (bistochastic) matrix. Could somebody show me how?

What are you trying to do? Has somebody told you what the actual values are of [itex]\pi_1, \ldots, \pi_n,[/itex] and you want to verify (or at least understand) the results? Or, do you not know what the solution is?

RGV
 
I know how to find the distribution vector for any [itex]r\times r[/itex] stochastic matrix. I want to know why, if the matrix is doubly stochastic, you don't need to solve the system of equations and the distribution vector is just [itex](1/r,\ldots ,1/r)[/itex].
 
spitz said:
I know how to find the distribution vector for any [itex]r\times r[/itex] stochastic matrix. I want to know why, if the matrix is doubly stochastic, you don't need to solve the system of equations and the distribution vector is just [itex](1/r,\ldots ,1/r)[/itex].


Without some qualifications the result is not true: consider P = nxn identity matrix. It is doubly-stochastic, but any row vector (v1, v2, ..., vn) satisfies the equation vP = v. If, however, we assume P corresponds to an irreducible chain, the result is true.

Take the case where P has at least two nonzero entries in each column. Suppose the row vector π does not have equal entries. Look at the jth equation [itex]\pi_j = \sum_{i} \pi_i p_{i,j}.[/itex] Since the column entries sum to 1, this is a weighted average of [/itex] \pi_1, \ldots, \pi_n.[/itex] and since there are at least two nonzero entries in the column, we have [itex]\min(\pi_1,\ldots,\pi_n) < \pi_j < \max(\pi_1,\ldots, \pi_n).[/itex] You ought to be able to derive a contradiction from this.

You still need to deal with cases where at least one column has only one entry (which would be 1.0), but which is, nevertheless, irreducible.

RGV
 
spitz said:
I know how to find the distribution vector for any [itex]r\times r[/itex] stochastic matrix. I want to know why, if the matrix is doubly stochastic, you don't need to solve the system of equations and the distribution vector is just [itex](1/r,\ldots ,1/r)[/itex].


Without some qualifications the result is not true: consider P = nxn identity matrix. It is doubly-stochastic, but any row vector (v1, v2, ..., vn) satisfies the equation vP = v. If, however, we assume P corresponds to an irreducible chain, the result is true.

Take the case where P has at least two nonzero entries in each column. Suppose the row vector π does not have equal entries. Look at the jth equation [itex]\pi_j = \sum_{i} \pi_i p_{i,j}.[/itex] Since the column entries sum to 1, this is a weighted average of [itex]\pi_1, \ldots, \pi_n.[/itex] and since there are at least two nonzero entries in the column, we have [itex]\min(\pi_1,\ldots,\pi_n) < \pi_j < \max(\pi_1,\ldots, \pi_n).[/itex] You ought to be able to derive a contradiction from this.

You still need to deal with cases where at least one column has only one entry (which would be 1.0), but which is, nevertheless, irreducible.

RGV
 

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