Statistical Physics number of particles with spin 1/2 in a B-field

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The discussion revolves around understanding the statistical physics of particles with spin 1/2 in a magnetic field. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the visualization of the problem and seeks guidance on how to approach it without receiving direct answers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the orientation of particles in a magnetic field, questioning how to visualize the arrangement and the implications of the number of particles oriented "up" or "down." There is discussion about the combinatorial aspects of determining the number of states based on particle orientation.

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Some participants have provided clarifications and examples to help the original poster understand the problem better. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the calculation of the number of possible states and how to express it in terms of the number of particles.

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The original poster has indicated a lack of understanding due to missing course material, which may affect their grasp of the concepts being discussed. There is an emphasis on not wanting direct answers but rather guidance and resources for further exploration.

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To be honest I'm clueless. I've missed a large amount of the course and just struggling to find any sources that explain this. I don't want the answer to the question, I want to figure that out for myself. What I really need is someone to point me in the right direction by either explaining the question in part or providing a good source of information such as a website or book.

I don't even know how to visualize the question. Would it be as a sheet of N particles orientated along the magnetic field direction? The particles can be orientated either positive to the direction of the magnetic field or opposed to it. When it is said that there are n up does this mean that the number of rows could be thought of as n? Or am I completely wrong?

Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
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Would it be as a sheet of N particles orientated along the magnetic field direction?
Something like that. You have N independent particles, each of them can be oriented along the magnetic field ("up", ms=+1/2) or in the opposite direction ("down", ms=-1/2). Spins are additive, so if you have n "up" and N-n "down", ...

(b) is combinatorics (which particles are "up" and which are "down"?). Once you have that, you can use it to calculate (c) and (d).
 
Thank you so much for the reply. That's made it much clearer.

So part a is simply:

m_s = n(1/2) + (N-n)(-1/2)
m_s = n/2 - (1/2)(N-n)
m_s = (1/2)(2n-N)

I'm having a bit of trouble getting part b as a function of n. Because isn't the number of states simply (number of up + number of down)^N?

This gives N^N as the answer. I'm obviously missing something.
 
Let's consider a simple example: N=3, n=1. You have the options (up, down, down), (down, up, down) and (down, down, up), for a total of 3 options.
 
I'm sorry but the concept still isn't clear to me. Whichever way I try to define the number of possible states I have to use the term N. What am I missing?

Thanks again for the help :)
 
Yes, N will show up in the result. Where is the problem?
 

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