Steam quality, mass flow rate, temperature and pressure of the steam

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The discussion revolves around optimizing steam quality, mass flow rate, temperature, and pressure for turbine efficiency. Participants explore how these properties influence turbine design and operation, particularly in the context of nuclear power plants.

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  • One participant questions which steam properties should be higher for optimal turbine performance and whether turbines are designed based on steam properties or if reactor properties are adjusted accordingly.
  • Another participant suggests that turbines primarily operate on pressure drop, indicating that both pressure and volume are crucial for achieving necessary torque and speed.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of the enthalpy difference across the turbine and notes that turbine design is generally based on specified steam conditions rather than adjusting reactor properties. They mention that most nuclear units provide saturated steam, with some exceptions for superheated steam in specific designs.
  • One participant reiterates the initial question about optimizing steam properties and adds that turbine design is influenced by predetermined output and thermodynamic efficiency models, highlighting the relationship between turbine speed, blade design, and steam properties.

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Participants express differing views on the optimization of steam properties and the design relationship between turbines and reactors. There is no consensus on the best approach or the most critical factors for turbine efficiency.

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Participants reference various technical aspects of turbine design, including blade size, speed, and the impact of steam quality, but do not resolve the complexities or dependencies involved in these considerations.

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How should steam quality, mass flow rate, temperature and pressure of the steam be optimized in order to have the most out of turbine? I mean which ones have be to be higher?
Also when they design turbine, do they design it based on the properties of the steam or they change the properties of the reactor to meet the turbine requirement? (I assume this has to be dependent on the power density of the core as well)
 
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I believe most turbines operate on pressure drop.
the pressure has to be high enough for the turbine to move at a given torque but there also has to be sufficient volume to produce the speed (rpm) that's necessary.
Can you work it from that?
 


Look at the enthalpy difference across the turbine (inlet to exhaust), multiply by mass flow rate to get energy 'delivered' to the shaft. Though in the real world this is complicated (e.g., extraction steam at various enthalpies).

In general, the turbine is designed based on specified steam conditions, not the other way around. Most nuclear units provide saturated steam (since the SG tubes are covered with liquid in a PWR and the fuel pins are covered in a BWR). An exception would be the 'once through' steam generators in B&W designs - the upper portion of the tubes is above the water level, and therefore produce some superheating of the steam. You could say that this design began with the desire to provide superheat steam to the turbine.

As far as steam quality (in the U-tube SG designs) - it is important to the turbine designers but I think it is a second order effect (whether the steam is 0.1% or 0.2% moisture carry-over has an effect on the power, but it isn't a big effect).
 
candice_84 said:
How should steam quality, mass flow rate, temperature and pressure of the steam be optimized in order to have the most out of turbine? I mean which ones have be to be higher?
Also when they design turbine, do they design it based on the properties of the steam or they change the properties of the reactor to meet the turbine requirement? (I assume this has to be dependent on the power density of the core as well)
The output of the plant is pre-determined - that's a basic functional requirement/spec. There is some thermodynamic model, so the thermodynamic efficiency is known to some degree.

Turbines are designed to run at a set speed, usually 1500 rpm in areas using 50 Hz, or 1800 rpm in areas using 60 Hz. This determines the blade tip speed based on the size of the blade, and the blade size is determined by the capacity of the turbine and number of stages. The stages and blade designs are optimized with respect to the properties of the steam. There are also high pressure and low pressure turbines on the same train. There can also be intermediate, but on large power turbine sets, I've seen 1 HP and 3 LP turbines.

ARABELLE™ Steam Turbine for Nuclear Power Plants
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/flamanvillenuclear/flamanvillenuclear4.html
http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/membersonly/aug98/features/reactor/reactor.html
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6648034/Steam-turbines-how-big-can.html

http://www.energy.siemens.com/hq/en/power-generation/steam-turbines/
http://aunz.siemens.com/Energy/Generation/FPG/EP/Pages/PG_4058_SteamTurbinesandGenerators.aspx

http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/tech_docs/en/steam_turbines.htm

http://www.mhi.co.jp/en/products/category/steam_turbine.html

http://www.hitachipowersystems.us/products/steam_turbines/index.html
http://www.hitachipowersystems.us/s.../technical_papers/brochures/Steam_Turbine.pdf
http://www.powergenu.com/courses/9/PDF/PGU_9_HitchiNclrTrbns.pdf

http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/power/english/thermal/products/turbines/steamidx.htm
 
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