Stopping acceleration and starting to move at constant speed

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a ball released from a height above a large accelerating mass. Participants explore the implications of the ball's motion, forces acting on it, and the interactions between the ball and the mass after release. The scope includes theoretical considerations, application of physical principles, and exploratory reasoning regarding acceleration and forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when the ball is released, it will stop accelerating and move at a constant velocity, as there are negligible downward forces acting on it.
  • Others argue that the ball will fall towards the large mass, which is accelerating upwards, and that the behavior can be understood through Einstein's Equivalence Principle.
  • One participant questions the force acting on the ball when it is let go and whether the large object will reach the ball again.
  • Another participant discusses the nature of the force exerted by the large object on the ball upon contact, suggesting that it varies over time and depends on the characteristics of both the ball and the surface of the mass.
  • There is a mention of the time it would take for the ball to hit the mass, calculated as ##\sqrt2## seconds, but the implications of this timing are not fully resolved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the ball stops accelerating or continues to fall towards the mass. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the forces involved or the outcomes of the interaction between the ball and the mass.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the forces acting on the ball and the nature of the mass's surface, which are not fully defined. The calculations and reasoning presented depend on these assumptions and the specific characteristics of the objects involved.

Zaephou
Messages
4
Reaction score
1
I have an example:

Let us say you are on a large object with a mass of 5x10^10kg accelerating upwards at a constant velocity of 5m/s^-2, and there is a ball 0.1kg on top of that object. This ball should be accelerating at the same pace.

The ball is then held up 5m from the surface of that object, and is let go. Would the ball stop accelerating and start moving at a constant velocity considering the downward forces are negligible.

Further questions:

-What force would this ball have when it is let go?

-Would the large object ever reach the ball again?

-If the ball does start moving at a constant velocity, when the large object reaches the ball, how large of a force will that object exert on the ball, and would this cause the ball to accelerate at what pace?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bsheikho
Physics news on Phys.org
The situation can be understood in terms of Einstein's Equivalence Principle. The behavior of the ball, as observed by someone on the large mass, will be exactly the same as that of a ball on a planet that, at its surface, has a gravitational acceleration half that of what applies at the surface of the Earth - ie 'one half G'.

So when released, the ball will 'fall' towards the big mass (meaning it stops accelerating and the mass accelerates towards it). It will hit the mass after ##\sqrt2## seconds, at which point it will either stick to the mass or bounce, depending on the construction of the ball.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: NihalRi
Zaephou said:
Would the ball stop accelerating
F=ma. No horizontal force = no horizontal acceleration.
 
Zaephou said:
I have an example:

Let us say you are on a large object with a mass of 5x10^10kg accelerating upwards at a constant velocity of 5m/s^-2, and there is a ball 0.1kg on top of that object. This ball should be accelerating at the same pace.

The ball is then held up 5m from the surface of that object, and is let go. Would the ball stop accelerating and start moving at a constant velocity considering the downward forces are negligible.

Further questions:

-What force would this ball have when it is let go?

-Would the large object ever reach the ball again?

-If the ball does start moving at a constant velocity, when the large object reaches the ball, how large of a force will that object exert on the ball, and would this cause the ball to accelerate at what pace?
I agree. The ball would be at constant velocity and therefore there is no force acting on it. Since the object was accelerating to begin with, it would reach the ball and it would appear as if the ball was falling towards the object.
 
andrewkirk said:
The situation can be understood in terms of Einstein's Equivalence Principle. The behavior of the ball, as observed by someone on the large mass, will be exactly the same as that of a ball on a planet that, at its surface, has a gravitational acceleration half that of what applies at the surface of the Earth - ie 'one half G'.

So when released, the ball will 'fall' towards the big mass (meaning it stops accelerating and the mass accelerates towards it). It will hit the mass after ##\sqrt2## seconds, at which point it will either stick to the mass or bounce, depending on the construction of the ball.

Considering this, how much force would the object exert on the ball upon contact? (If the force is large, why does it only cause the ball to bounce on the surface?)
 
Zaephou said:
Considering this, how much force would the object exert on the ball upon contact?
The force will vary over the period for which the ball is in contact with the mass. It will start at zero, increase to a maximum, then decline back to zero. The final zero is reached when the ball loses contact (if it bounces) or when it is fully stationary with respect to the mass (if no bounce). The pattern of force over time, and the maximum force experienced, depend on the construction of the ball and of the mass's surface. The calculation would be complex and need a great deal of extra information about the ball and surface.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 46 ·
2
Replies
46
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
23K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K