Stretched fabric cylinder between two hoops - what is the shape?

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The discussion revolves around the shape of a fabric cylinder stretched between two hoops, exploring its geometric properties and the differences between elastic materials and minimal surfaces. Participants inquire about terminology and equations related to this shape, as well as the implications of material properties on its form.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the shape as a "spool," suggesting a colloquial term for the configuration.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a catenoid, a minimal surface formed by soap films, noting its relevance to the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the differences between soap films and elastic materials, particularly regarding tension and surface area minimization.
  • It is suggested that elastic materials exhibit nonisotropic stresses, leading to different behavior compared to soap films, which maintain constant tension.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which a fabric could approximate a minimal surface, emphasizing the need for uniform and isotropic strains.
  • There is a reiteration of the complexities involved in achieving a minimal surface with elastic materials, noting that this is not the sole design criterion.

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Participants express differing views on the terminology and the nature of the shape, with some proposing terms like "spool" while others focus on the mathematical properties of minimal surfaces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the shape and its mathematical description.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the material properties and the mathematical modeling of the shape, particularly regarding the assumptions of isotropy and uniform strain.

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Hi Everyone,

Imagine a tube of fabric stretched between two hoops, like the one's seen here..
http://www.stretchshapes.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/A1.png
That is, a cylinder made of an elastic material, under tension.

Is there a name for this shape?
Is there a generic equation describing it?
So far, searching the web I've come up with nothing, but I assume I'm using the wrong vocabulary.

Any tips appreciated!
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I severely doubt that this would be considered an official term, but in my circles the shape would be called a "spool". In the case of multiples as in the picture, they would be "stacked spools".
 
If done with a soap film in zero gravity you get a minimal surface called Catenoid:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenoid

A fabric however can have nonisotropic stresses, so its not exactly a minimal surface anymore.
 
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Thanks. Catenoid has put me in the right direction.
 
Seems to me there is a crucial difference between soap films and elastic materials. The tension in a soap film is constant, so it adopts a minimal surface area to minimise the surface energy. An elastic material has a modulus, the tension increasing with the stretch.
In the illustration in the OP, the difference is clearest in the left-hand image. The spool shaft is almost straight over the middle third, only flaring at the ends. A soap film would become much narrower in the middle.
 
haruspex said:
Seems to me there is a crucial difference between soap films and elastic materials. The tension in a soap film is constant, so it adopts a minimal surface area to minimise the surface energy. An elastic material has a modulus, the tension increasing with the stretch.
In the illustration in the OP, the difference is clearest in the left-hand image. The spool shaft is almost straight over the middle third, only flaring at the ends. A soap film would become much narrower in the middle.

Yes, that's what I meant by "nonisotropic stresses". You can stretch the fabric in one direction more than in the other.

So only in special cases (I assume when you make sure the strains are uniform and isotropic) those fabrics will be an exact minimal surface. If minimizing the amount of fabric used was the sole goal, this would be the optimal configuration. But obviously they are other criteria for designing declarations than that.
 
A.T. said:
Yes, that's what I meant by "nonisotropic stresses". You can stretch the fabric in one direction more than in the other.
So only in special cases (I assume when you make sure the strains are uniform and isotropic) those fabrics will be an exact minimal surface.
Not just isotropic, but isotopic. My point is that if you stretch a bit of soap bubble the tension stays constant, but if you stretch an elastic fabric it will increase. So the cases in which the fabric will assume a minimal surface are trivial.
 

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