Structural Formulae for Isomer P, Q and R: Explained

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The discussion centers on the identification of isomers P, Q, and R in a chemistry examination question involving Cu(I) ions complexed by ammonia. Isomer P produces a red precipitate, likely cuprous oxide (Cu2O), indicating the presence of an aldehyde, which reacts positively in tests like Fehling's. Isomer Q, upon vigorous oxidation with manganate (VII) ions, yields only ethanoic acid, suggesting it is an alcohol that oxidizes to its highest oxidation state. Isomer R results in an unbranched chain dicarboxylic acid, indicating it may be a dialcohol. The discussion highlights the connection to carbohydrates and suggests reviewing organic chemistry texts for structural formulae related to these isomers. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of drawing exact formulae for these compounds while linking them to known carbohydrate structures.
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With an aqueous solution containing Cu(I) ions complexed by ammonia, isomer P gave a red precipitate. On vigorous oxidation by aqueous manganate (VII) ions, isomer Q gave only ethanoic acid whereas isomer R gave an unbranched chain, dicarboxylic acid.
Write structual formulae for isomers P, Q and R: explain your reasoning.

This is a past old examination question, I'm finding this difficult to answer. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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Hello, this is not an easy question, as you say.

The first one involving red precipitate is very likely to be cuprous oxide, Cu2O. This is an indicator of the positive Fehling test; and any oxidizable substance, but especially aldehydes. So ammoniacal cuprous solution is best reacted by an aldehyde; this is very similar to Tollens' test in which silver ions are used and a silver mirror is produced as a visual indicator.

The second one seems to be ethanol, since vigorous oxidation only gives the highest oxidation state; not the aldehyde stage, I think.

The last one is similar to the one before; but dialcohol is likely to be the solution of this problem.

It's difficult to draw the exact formulae for the aldehyde and dialcohol though.
 
I suggest that you go through the carbohydrates chapter in your organic chem text, this is what the question pertains to (glucose, fructose, mannose etc...).
 
GCT, you are a genius :smile:

Three isomers with one alcohol, one aldehyde and one dicarboxylic acid, involving Fehling test also are nothing but carbohydrates in Fischer conformation... I totally agree with you about this.
 
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