Student Facing Criminal Charges for Writing Assignment

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A student faces criminal charges for writing a violent essay as part of a creative writing assignment, raising questions about the legality and appropriateness of such charges. The essay reportedly contained disturbing language but did not directly threaten any individual or organization. Many participants in the discussion express concern over the implications for free speech, particularly for students, and suggest that the response may be an overreaction fueled by recent school shooting fears. Some argue that counseling would be a more appropriate response than criminal charges, while others note that the teacher's instructions allowed for unfiltered expression, complicating the situation. The debate highlights the tension between maintaining safety in schools and protecting students' rights to free expression.
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Here's an interesting piece of news I found today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18353425/&GT1=9246"

Apparently a student wrote a violent essay for a creating writing assignment, and he's being criminally charged. The maximum jail time is 30 days.

I'm no legal expert, but I'm quite surprised to hear this. The article doesn't mention any threat directed at a particular individual or organization (though he did possibly make an indirect threat). Is it legal to criminally charge him for writing this? After all, many modern musicians write lyrics that are far worse, and they are protected under free speech laws. I don't take any particular position on whether or not it's right to charge this guy, but if anyone knows, I'd honestly be interested to know more about the legal aspects of this. What boundaries are there on free speech, and why do they seem to be more restrictive for high school students?
 
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This is ridiculous. Talk about over reacting. You can be arrested for bad taste now?

At most, a visit to a counselor to see if the kid shows signs of behavioral or mental problems. So far it seems this kid has no history of problems?
 
Well it's good to know that I'm not the only one taken aback by this. Again, I'm not going to say with certainty that he shouldn't be charged: first because I don't know the specific details on the pertinent laws, and secondly because I don't know if this kid has a history of violent behavior, or if this essay was accompanied by some violent action. But I never thought that you could get arrested for writing violent literature.
 
arunma said:
But I never thought that you could get arrested for writing violent literature.
If you could, there wouldn't be very many movies or tv shows, would there?

There must be more to the story.
 
This is a gray area here. While the student is 18 and enjoys the full protection of the Consitution, he is also a student. There is precedent for students having some rights onerously suppressed (free speech among them.)
See http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_stud.html"
There are other violations of a minor's rights that on their face seem quite onerous, but for which there are many legal precedents. The most common such violations are of the rights of students. That is, of children attending school. The rights of free speech, free press, free association, and from search and seizure are points of contention between school administrators and students, and have been for decades.
Personally, I think it is an overreaction to what happened, and if he is in any way punished, I'm sure it will be challenged in court since he is 18. Whether it stands up or not is yet to be seen.
 
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Nooo... the school can take away a kids rights, but only within the school's authority. The school can't decide to make jailtime a punishment
 
The charge is disorderly conduct? In what way is writing an assignment disorderly conduct? I can't possibly stick. Whoever approved this charge may have been looking for political gain. Either that, or it's an overreaction because someone wants to do something, anything, just in case this student is another Cho, possibly out of irrational fear. But it should be no surprise post-VT that a student asked to "write whatever comes to your mind. Do not judge or censor what you are writing" would write something like this. The assignment should have been "write what you think I want to read; use appropriate restraint". As it is, it smells like entrapment.

EDIT: I know it's not legally entrapment (before someone points that out).
 
The school can do whatever they want. The police, on the other hand, need to abide by the First Amendment, and criminal charges are ludicrous. I'd call the ACLU, but apparently they're already involved.
 
Wow, this is nuts. Theres no way that these charges can stand up in court.
 
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This is the result of blind paranoia.

Why is anyone surprised that local school administrators and police are idiots? Humanity is a race of idiots.
 
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My goodness. It's no good to take drastic precautionary measures in the wake of the Va Tech shootings, but it's perfectly reasonable to denounce all school administrators and police in a sweeping blanket overgeneralization?

Let's read some more about it:
http://cbs2chicago.com/northsuburbanbureau/local_story_117092318.html
Dane Loizzo said the Lee family and school district officials were moving toward a resolution that would free Allen from any disciplinary action.

He said a timeline for resolution was discussed but would not reveal details.

“Any sort of penalties or disciplinary actions are yet to be determined,” Dane Loizzo said. “In my opinion, I don’t believe that it is warranted. Allen is a good kid.”

He also said expected a similar result for the criminal charge.

“Given the facts as I know them, Allen [Lee] will certainly be vindicated,” Loizzo said.

It appears many smart people are just as capable of rash judgements before the full story is known.

Without question, the teacher did the correct thing. When such a document is brought before the administrators, they have specific protocol that they must follow. Once the essay (which does contain threatening and distubing language) the police are obliged to take action first. If a mistake must be made, it is better to make the mistake that doesn't end up with dead bodies.
 
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Arresting the kid just went too far. Per the article you posted, everyone is back peddling now that they realized they over reacted.

I agree the teacher needed to bring it to the school's attention. Like I said earlier, he should have been sent for evaluation. The school can ask the court to order evaluation, treatment, etc.. if necessary.

The writing was crap, not creative at all, but copy cat. It was stupid. No, it was idiotic.

But arrested for disorderly conduct? What good does that do if the kid has emotional problems that need to be treated?

Looks like the kid is guilty of bad taste and stupidity. This will likely result in a lawsuit. This will make schools hesitant again. The school used poor judgement, IMHO. It could have been handled much better.
 
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This is ridiculous. The student is asked to write whatever comes to mind and is punished for his ideas. How surprising is it that the first thing to come to a student's mind recently would be the VT shootings? I guess the other students just had enough fear of the system to edit their thought process. Because we all know good creative writers edit their thoughts to be politically correct.

Someone needs a goodf kick in the pants.
 
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From the article linked in the OP:
Another passage said, "as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first CG shooting," the complaint said.

That sounds like a threat to me, and I think the teacher was right to call the authorities based on that. The police and prosecutor can determine if they want to follow up and file formal charges, but I think you have to take anything like that as a threat. You have to remember that in the wake of something like VA Tech, there can also be other students who have been contemplating something violent who are emboldened by seeing someone else carry it out.

Once an arrest is made, if there's enough reason to go ahead and press charges, it's possible that a plea agreement can be made that requires psychological or psychiatric treatment, as necessary.
 
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Moonbear said:
From the article linked in the OP:


That sounds like a threat to me, and I think the teacher was right to call the authorities based on that. The police and prosecutor can determine if they want to follow up and file formal charges, but I think you have to take anything like that as a threat. You have to remember that in the wake of something like VA Tech, there can also be other students who have been contemplating something violent who are emboldened by seeing someone else carry it out.

Once an arrest is made, if there's enough reason to go ahead and press charges, it's possible that a plea agreement can be made that requires psychological or psychiatric treatment, as necessary.

But if the threat is what's at issue here, then shouldn't he be charged for making threats rather than for disorderly conduct? It seems like the charge is based on the paper itself, and not specifically on the threat that can be inferred from what he wrote.
 
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Well, he's already been kicked out of the marines, and will certainly face consequences at school. The actual charges against him won't hold up in court unless his paper contains some kind of direct threat, which it doesn't appear to.

"Disorderly conduct" is absurb, considering that his conduct was perfectly fine given the assignment to "write what's on your mind" and told that there will be no censorship or judgement of what is written. It's just that what he wrote is somewhat disturbing, especially when viewed from this state of recent school shooting tragedy, so it is taken more seriously. If you look hard enough you can find much more violent, weird ideas that actually published in your local library or bookstore...
 
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1) The student is an idiot for having done this in the immediate aftermath of Va-Tech.

2) The teacher is an idiot for having given this sort of unqualified instruction, *specifically* stating "no judgement, no censorship", only to renege on her promise. Same goes for the school principal.

3) The chief prosecutor is an idiot. There is no call for criminal charges here. Counselling yes, psychotherapy maybe, charges no.

Summing it up, bad things happen when idiots work in tandem.
 
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arunma said:
But if the threat is what's at issue here, then shouldn't he be charged for making threats rather than for disorderly conduct? It seems like the charge is based on the paper itself, and not specifically on the threat that can be inferred from what he wrote.

It sounds like they arrested him on the basis of the threat, and probably decided they only have sufficient evidence for the lesser charge of disorderly conduct...unless he was disorderly when they arrested him and that's not told in the story. Perhaps he resisted or started to make a big scene, so instead of a prosecutor or judge looking at the charges and the paper and deciding there was nothing to the case and letting him go, they then had to address his conduct between the time the teacher reported the problem and the time he was in custody.

There are no reports from any witnesses, so we don't know much about what really happened and if there was any other behavior from him to warrant such charges.
 
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IF the marines have "kicked him out" (though he was not yet in the marines), then it was due to the very timely psychological profile delivered by the essay. Either this guy has a disturbed psyche, or he finds the wrong this to be funny.

THe instructions by the teacher regarding "no censorship" would be referring to letting the student not worry if he says a few bad words, or goes into some "suggestive theme." If this led a student to a descriptive rant of homicide, wherein his teacher and his own school is directly identified,... and he calls it a joke. The guy needs deep evaluation, and the Marines need someone else. We cannot tell what has been averted; the evidence of effectively avoiding disaster is never seen. Perhaps this is the best thing that ever happened to him. But we'll never know.

I do wish that this rarefied group of PFers would rise above the common rabble and stop their rash judgements of those who are constantly faced with "unwinable" decisions.

Either that, or take your Solomonesque wisdom and become the single "non-idiotic" public servant that you have decided we need.

Go ahead and look through my history of comments. I try very hard to be nonjudgmental, to be as objective as possible. When I occasionally post an overly-emotional, underly-logical comment I try to qualify and or apologize.

I will not apologize for the following:
Some of the comments on this thread are juvenile.
 
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I think writing of disturbing things (and who's to decide that?) as a kid does not mean the same is of your mind. Stephen King and Edgar Allen Poe were once in English classes and I wouldn't be surprised if they dipped into horror in any creative writing to do. He's not exactly Stephen King, but hey, you got to start somewhere.

"So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did.”

My first thought is "immature." "So I had this dream" Right, he can't dream now? :biggrin: Maybe just not say what he dreamt if other people do not deem it acceptable.
 
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Describing a slaughter (a "funny slaughter" in which one has sex with the dead bodies) at your OWN high school, and tangentially blaming the teacher who assigned the project, directly in the first person, is not even starting toward Steven King. Let's assume that the people involved have a modecum of sense: what they read was disturbing and threatening (all we have seen so far is short snippets of the "essay" and I find them disturbing), the student's response what that it was supposed to be "funny."

We all have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Each level of authority along the way to the kid's arrest had to react based on what was presented to them. When the police are given a piece of paper that explicitly contains such threats, they don't have the option of weighing the mitigating factors: that's the judges job.

I still am aghast at the irony. You can do a sweep of forums around this net. The common response is of "oh the teacher, the priciple, the cops are all idiots; everyone is an idiot; all people are idiots" That is the COMMON response, so isn't that the response of idiots? That's the ironic implication.

I don't believe that the people here are idiots. I just wish some of them apply their higher thinking capabilities to these news events without being suckered by our sensationalistic news habits.
 
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I think the teacher followed the appropriate course of action given recent history. I think the student had poor taste and poor judgement.

I think the administration went overboard. Rather than arrest the student, it would have been appropriate to talk to the student and the student's parents. I don't think it necessary to call upon law enforcement for each an every concern, dispute or disciplinary problem.
 
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Although I do agree with Astronuc, administrators do not have the option of deciding whether or not to call in the authorities. If it is anything like Connecticut, there is an officer on the premesis at all times. Teachers and administrators are required by law to forward to the law enformement authorities anything that might be considered an immediate risk to students. Notice the word "might," and consider the very worst outcome if one errs on the wrong side.
 
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What's interesting is that people here think this kid should have just gotten a little slap on the wrist, yet as the news reports for the VA Tech killings were coming out, they were all the same ones saying, "Why didn't the school do anything?"

Why are folks calling this paranoia and over-reaction? Perhaps it's better called a lesson learned and in the wake of the VA Tech massacre, their heightened awareness may have caught one student showing such signs of maladjustment before another tragedy occurs.

Or, the same thing would have happened without VA Tech, but it wouldn't have made an interesting news story. Afterall, we've been hearing for a week now about all the schools closed across the country for bomb threats. Believe it or not, these are not new things, especially as final exams approach and stupid kids think they'll get out of exams if they call in a bomb threat. The only difference is that now the media is following each of these reports and making it a national story instead of dismissing it as yet another sick kid being stupid and relegating it to police blotter of the local news.

Remember, as we've been hearing, Cho was also taken into court-ordered custody (at that stage, not really different from an arrest) for his creative writing papers...did we ever hear about that in the news at the time? No, it was just something administrative that is done when someone that disturbed is identified as a potential threat to self or others, and nobody would have thought to make a news story of it. Perhaps that his illness was not taken seriously enough allowed him to remain out in society and to do something so horrid. Here's another kids who seems to be showing similar disturbing, violent tendencies, finds humor in it, and makes threats against the school and teacher, and you want the teacher to not notify the police to do something about it?

No, maybe he won't be the next school shooter, but someone who finds humor in shooting people and having sex with the corpses might turn out to be the next serial killer. Who knows, if there's an unsolved murder in the area that fits that description, the police probably wanted to detain him long enough to make sure it wasn't a confession.
 
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Moonbear said:
No, maybe he won't be the next school shooter, but someone who finds humor in shooting people and having sex with the corpses might turn out to be the next serial killer. Who knows, if there's an unsolved murder in the area that fits that description, the police probably wanted to detain him long enough to make sure it wasn't a confession.
Good point. I guess they want to have his information in the police database, but I still think he needs psychological evaluation, not jail time.
 
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Moonbear said:
Remember, as we've been hearing, Cho was also taken into court-ordered custody (at that stage, not really different from an arrest) for his creative writing papers...did we ever hear about that in the news at the time? No, it was just something administrative that is done when someone that disturbed is identified as a potential threat to self or others, and nobody would have thought to make a news story of it. Perhaps that his illness was not taken seriously enough allowed him to remain out in society and to do something so horrid. Here's another kids who seems to be showing similar disturbing, violent tendencies, finds humor in it, and makes threats against the school and teacher, and you want the teacher to not notify the police to do something about it?

No, maybe he won't be the next school shooter, but someone who finds humor in shooting people and having sex with the corpses might turn out to be the next serial killer. Who knows, if there's an unsolved murder in the area that fits that description, the police probably wanted to detain him long enough to make sure it wasn't a confession.

Moonbear,
Cho was detained for a psych eval on the basis of stalking--had nothing to do with his writings, so while I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I have seen examples of this where at a high school, kids gets detained for 3 days in a psych hospital on the basis of a graphic drawing. They (teachers, et al) were being careful, but an involuntary psychiatric hospitalization seemed overboard IMO.
 
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He wasn't writing his personal thoughts in a diary. He was using free-writing to write fiction. Free writing isn't supposed to be censored. Any thought that enters your mind is what goes on the paper. It's a good way to explore things you don't think about often and get a stuck plot line rolling again, or build a nice framework for a story. What in his paper made the teacher believe that these were his beliefs and not just a perspective he was exploring, perhaps intended for some fictional character in a story?

Without having read the paper it's impossible to know how it was intended. The threat to the teacher was not quoted, only implied. That could have been taken out of context or misinterpreted. Having him arrested, barred from service and banned from school seems excessive as an initial reaction. If I was concerned about the violence in his writing I would attempt to discover WHY he wrote it and not immediately resort to punishment.

Would the penalty for this paper have been so severe if the VT shootings never happened? Personally, I would be more concerned if someone wrote that paper with no recent event to draw the inspiration from.
 
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Anyone else wonder as I whether race played a role?
 
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denverdoc said:
Anyone else wonder as I whether race played a role?
I bet Allen Lee considered his race when he wrote the paper.
 
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The fact is, he cannot be charged with a crime for anything that he wrote in this paper, unless there is a clear case of threatening a criminal act. It would violate his first amendment rights.

Certainly there's nothing wrong with the school following up on this, disciplining him, sending him to counselors, etc. And as someone else said, maybe they are charging him with "disorderly conduct" because he actually made some kind of scene, or did something else that we are unaware of.
 
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I have just read the essay Lee wrote and now I am positive that the school overreacted. A straight A student with no history of violence and sociable according to what I've read about him.

Has anyone read the essay? Did anyone read Lee's explanation of the essay? The opening sentance were lyrics from a Green Day song?

Here is the essay and Lee's comments.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/361573,042707lee.article
 
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wow.. what is the world coming too
 
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Evo said:
Has anyone read the essay? Did anyone read Lee's explanation of the essay? The opening sentance were lyrics from a Green Day song?

Yes. Yes. The opening sentence is the title of a Green Day song.

Now I'm getting an unsettling impression that someone wanted to make an example. Students everywhere have just been taught that following teacher instructions can lend them in criminal court and deprive them of employment unless they self-censor. Does the cure seem worse than the disease to anyone else?
 
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Evo said:
You can be arrested for bad taste now?

Oh boy! This ain't good for any of us Science guys.
 
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I guess people are just becoming little babies and are scared of reality. He was portraying reality in a unique way, and he gets arrested for it. That's bull****.
 
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Thanks for that link Evo. That clears things up nicely.

Seems the teacher didn't like being bad-mouthed and decided to make an issue out of it. The essay still isn't appropriate, but I don't see any direct threats in there. The line about a cg shooting is a warning that the teacher's actions will eventually upset some student enough to commit a similar act. The essay is an honest opinion, albeit a harsh one, that has been blown way out of proportion.

The school stepped on this student's rights. I doubt they believed that Lee had any real intention of harming anyone. They saw that his essay was insulting to the teacher, anti-establishment and foul-mouthed and decided to punish him. Just seeing how the essay was quoted it seems to me someone wanted to coerce public opinion to the establishment's favor. I hope it backfires on them, legally ofcourse. It almost looks like the school abused this student's rights by telling half-truths and public fear-mongering.
 
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That was a dumb thing to write after the recent incident at virginia tech, he deserves what's happening but hopefully the charges will be dropped once he has been taught a lesson,
 
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I tried to find the assignment itself but I didn't locate the exact and complete text. I did find exerpts of it in news reports. It goes something like this:

Free writing is a simple process that is the basis for the other discover techniques. Basic free writing follows these guidelines:

• Write nonstop for a set period of time.

• Do not make corrections as you write.

• Keep writing even if you have to write something like, "I don’t know what to write."

• Write whatever comes into your mind.

• Do not judge or censor what you are writing.

Free writing has these benefits:

• It makes you more comfortable with the act of writing.

• It helps you bypass the "inner critic" who tells you you can't write.

• It can be a valve to release inner tensions.

• It can help you discover things to write about.

• It can indirectly improve your formal writing.

• It can be fun.

The assignment included additional guidelines such as:

"If your free writing is neat and coherent, you probably haven't loosened up enough."
 
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Huckleberry said:
The line about a cg shooting is a warning that the teacher's actions will eventually upset some student enough to commit a similar act. The essay is an honest opinion, albeit a harsh one, that has been blown way out of proportion.

I noticed that too. Observing that a school's behavior might one day result in dire consequences is quite different from making an overt threat. Perhaps it should concern us that genuine criticism is being harshly censored here.
 
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Evo said:
I have just read the essay Lee wrote and now I am positive that the school overreacted. A straight A student with no history of violence and sociable according to what I've read about him.

Has anyone read the essay? Did anyone read Lee's explanation of the essay? The opening sentance were lyrics from a Green Day song?

Here is the essay and Lee's comments.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/361573,042707lee.article

Thanks...seeing it in context it seems a lot less serious than the quotes originally posted out of context. I had no idea that opening sentence was a song...ugh! I can't believe people listen to stuff with lyrics like that! That alone says something about what our society has come to. Maybe the teacher didn't know that song either, and that's why she reacted as she did. Without being told that is a song he was quoting, I'd have still taken it in the context of him being a threat to others. But, once explained and able to demonstrate that the song does exist with those lines, that should have sufficed. The rest just demonstrates a really immature attitude, which is typical of many high school kids, though frightening to realize he could serve in the military being THAT immature.
 
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And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandedly looking for complements on your cooking. No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting.
He is talking directly to the teacher here. As a teacher I would also have sent it up to the administrators. I do not think that the teacher is responsible for the Marines decision to reject/deselect him. That is a separate decision. Has the USMC overreacted too?
 
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Chi Meson said:
He is talking directly to the teacher here. As a teacher I would also have sent it up to the administrators. I do not think that the teacher is responsible for the Marines decision to reject/deselect him. That is a separate decision. Has the USMC overreacted too?
The Marines have a rule that they cannot accept anyone with pending legal action against them. Once the charges are dropped, he can re-enlist.

"Lee has a 4.2 grade-point average and never has been in trouble before"
 
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Evo said:
The Marines have a rule that they cannot accept anyone with pending legal action against them. Once the charges are dropped, he can re-enlist.
Well I hope that is the case. This will probably end up as a huge slap on the wrist, for all. One outcome: no more "free writing assignments" anywhere. This guy seems to have used the "no censorship" clause as an excuse for a violent, vulgar, hateful, personal rant against the teacher. No one should have to tolerate that, and teachers shouldn't be the only humans with skin three inches thick.

Here's an interesting extra, from
http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=6428740
The student's father says he understands the situation because of last week's Virginia Tech shootings and the violent writings of gunman Seung-Hui Cho (sung-wee joh).
 
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I don't think anyone disagrees that in light of VA Tech, that it was rather idiotic. The rant against the teacher alone would be grounds for disciplinary action.

I can't believe though that the first Lee was aware of any problem with his essay was when he was arrested while walking to school the following morning. Everyone agrees he should have been disciplined, his parents called in and an evaluation possibly indicated. I say possibly because he doesn't exhibit any of the traits associated with sociopaths.

I think perhaps his spelling and grammar were probably bad enough to warrant an arrest though. Amazing how he can be an honor student with such poor spelling.
 
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I cannot say that Lee was tasteless, dumb or <insert your favorite> to write this. Saying so would miss the fact that the text was not supposed to be pondered or reflected, not supposed to be analyzed in any way. Had he considered other's feelings, possible repercussions and so on, then he would have disobeyed one of the assignment rules. This was supposed to be written spontaneously and freely, without restraint, as a writing exercise. Angry rants were allowed.

What I question is the fact that the teacher read what her students wrote under these conditions. It seems a bit invasive to do this unless you're the students' therapist, and it doesn't add anything to the value of the exercise. If Lee can be accused of anything it is naivety: he believed that he would not be judged. So his trust was betrayed and now he knows better than to obey all rules. Me, I would have cheated on this exercise. I don't want to just write everything that pops into my mind unless I can burn the paper right after; my impulsive thoughts are nobody's business, yours should remain yours as well. You never know what others might think and do in response.
 
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out of whack said:
I cannot say that Lee was tasteless, dumb or <insert your favorite> to write this. Saying so would miss the fact that the text was not supposed to be pondered or reflected, not supposed to be analyzed in any way. Had he considered other's feelings, possible repercussions and so on, then he would have disobeyed one of the assignment rules. This was supposed to be written spontaneously and freely, without restraint, as a writing exercise. Angry rants were allowed.

What I question is the fact that the teacher read what her students wrote under these conditions. It seems a bit invasive to do this unless you're the students' therapist, and it doesn't add anything to the value of the exercise. If Lee can be accused of anything it is naivety: he believed that he would not be judged. So his trust was betrayed and now he knows better than to obey all rules. Me, I would have cheated on this exercise. I don't want to just write everything that pops into my mind unless I can burn the paper right after; my impulsive thoughts are nobody's business, yours should remain yours as well. You never know what others might think and do in response.
You bring up some very valid points.
 
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Evo said:
I have just read the essay Lee wrote and now I am positive that the school overreacted. A straight A student with no history of violence and sociable according to what I've read about him.

Has anyone read the essay? Did anyone read Lee's explanation of the essay? The opening sentance were lyrics from a Green Day song?

Here is the essay and Lee's comments.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/361573,042707lee.article

Thanks for posting the whole essay. Having read it, now I know that the school was out of line to punish this kid.

out of whack said:
I cannot say that Lee was tasteless, dumb or <insert your favorite> to write this. Saying so would miss the fact that the text was not supposed to be pondered or reflected, not supposed to be analyzed in any way. Had he considered other's feelings, possible repercussions and so on, then he would have disobeyed one of the assignment rules. This was supposed to be written spontaneously and freely, without restraint, as a writing exercise. Angry rants were allowed.

What I question is the fact that the teacher read what her students wrote under these conditions. It seems a bit invasive to do this unless you're the students' therapist, and it doesn't add anything to the value of the exercise. If Lee can be accused of anything it is naivety: he believed that he would not be judged. So his trust was betrayed and now he knows better than to obey all rules. Me, I would have cheated on this exercise. I don't want to just write everything that pops into my mind unless I can burn the paper right after; my impulsive thoughts are nobody's business, yours should remain yours as well. You never know what others might think and do in response.

That's a most excellent point. Since time immemorial (or so it seems to youngsters like myself), English and literature classes have seemed like the appropriate forum for creativity and free-speech. Apparently they need to redefine creativity as "any piece of writing that directly comments on the literary figures discussed in this course."

I must wonder: is creative writing the sort of thing that we should even be teaching in high school English classes? After all, creativity is something that should be generally encouraged in all subjects, especially the sciences. But it's been well-known, since before VATech and Columbine, that the written word can be quite destructive when misused. In a sense, it seems like a teacher who assigns a creative writing assignment is granting a bit too much intellectual freedom for an academic setting, not to mention that such a teacher is being terribly imprecise on the expectations that the assignment must meet. Back when I was in high school, our English teachers also displayed the (probably false) semblance of placing no bounds on student creativity. To provide an analogy, we scientists are aware of the fact that in academics, not all ideas are equally valid. No scientist or science teacher in the right mind would entertain ideas like creationism, conspiracy theories, outdated physical models, or other forms of scientific quackery in the science classroom, and these limits on creativity are fairly well spelled out. Shouldn't English teachers place similar limitations?
 
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if a person can't separate art from life then they should participate in an art show sometime, i'd have them sit down in a chair and look into a mirror while onlookers walked by in a crowded mall.
 
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The rest just demonstrates a really immature attitude, which is typical of many high school kids, though frightening to realize he could serve in the military being THAT immature.
I take it you haven't met many Marines. :wink: There are a lot of immature teenagers in the military. I remember 4 Marines in Naples, Italy that thought the small cars Italians drive were so funny they would flip one over onto it's roof. They ended up staying behind in jail and the ship left without them. I'm guessing they were court-martialed for destruction of private property, disorderly conduct and missing a deployment.

Anyway, I think what would concern the military most in this essay isn't the rant. The student made disparaging remarks about president Bush, the commander and chief of the US armed services. I think if Lee doesn't have the prescence of mind to refrain from writing a hateful diatribe to his teacher then he would not be able to handle the rigorous discipline that he would find in the military. There is no open bad-mouthing of authority allowed.

Free writing is an important tool for creative writing. Without learning how to write creatively an English class becomes a lesson in grammar and spelling. The method of expression in language is more of an art than a science. It shouldn't be removed from the English curriculum.

I'm sure this isn't the first time the teacher has seen something she didn't like in a free-writing excersize. If she isn't well-liked and gives an assignment to a class full of teenage, high school kids to write whatever is on their mind she is bound to get the occassional rant directed towards her. I know it is tough to accept the burden of insult, but Lee should have been afforded some extra leeway here because of the nature of the assignment. I can understand that the teacher brought the paper to the attention of the administration. What I don't understand is that nobody questioned the student directly. It's like the system got put on autopilot and rolled right over the student while nobody was watching.

I'm glad I had some more understanding English professors.
 

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