Subring Math Problem: Find Number of Elements in \mathbb{Z}_{2000} Subring

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The problem involves determining the elements of a subring S in the context of the ring R = \mathbb{Z}_{2000} with a specific element a = 850. The task is to find the number of elements in S, defined as those x in R such that ax = 0_R.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the condition ax = 0_R and explore the implications of prime factorization for determining elements of S. There are attempts to relate multiples of 21 and the structure of the ring to find elements in S. Questions arise about how to derive the smallest x that satisfies the condition and how to count the elements in S.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have suggested looking at prime factorizations and the form of elements in S, while others are questioning how to derive specific values and the overall count of elements. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the prime factorizations of 2000 and 850, and how these relate to the elements of S. There is also mention of constraints imposed by the definitions and properties of the ring.

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Homework Statement



Let R be a ring and a be an element of R. Let S= \left\{ x \in R: ax=0_R \right\}. S is a subring of R.

Let R= \mathbb{Z}_{2000} and a=850. Determine the elements of the subring S as defined previously. How many elements are in S?


The Attempt at a Solution



The elements of the subring S will be elements x from \mathbb{Z}_{2000} such that 850.x=0_R.

And I think since 850x=0-5000n, x= \frac{2000}{850} n = \frac{40}{21} n then

n=k.21

But what I do I need to do to find the number of elements in S? Is there a quick way of finding this?
 
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What's the largest multiple of 21 in Z/2000? What k does this correspond to? The other elements of S follow from this.
 


fzero said:
What's the largest multiple of 21 in Z/2000? What k does this correspond to? The other elements of S follow from this.

The largest multiple of 21 \mathbb{Z}_{2000} is 1995. It ocrresponds to k=95, since 21x95=1995. What do you mean "other elements of S follow from this"? How do I need to figure out how many elements are in S?
 


roam said:
The largest multiple of 21 \mathbb{Z}_{2000} is 1995. It ocrresponds to k=95, since 21x95=1995. What do you mean "other elements of S follow from this"? How do I need to figure out how many elements are in S?

Sorry, I thought your method actually determined the elements of S. I would look at the prime factorizations 2000 = 24 53, 850 = 2 52 17. Now, by comparing the prime factorizations, what is the smallest x (call it xg) such that a xg = 0R? Now note that all multiples m xg are also in S.
 


fzero said:
Sorry, I thought your method actually determined the elements of S. I would look at the prime factorizations 2000 = 24 53, 850 = 2 52 17. Now, by comparing the prime factorizations, what is the smallest x (call it xg) such that a xg = 0R? Now note that all multiples m xg are also in S.

Firstly, how do you determine this xg from the prime factorization? Also, how does it help to determine the number of elements in S?
 


roam said:
Firstly, how do you determine this xg from the prime factorization? Also, how does it help to determine the number of elements in S?

The condition a x =0_R requires that a x = 2^4 5^3 k for some k. Looking at the prime factors in a leads us to conclude that x \in S have the form x_{k'}=2^m 5^n k'. m,n are easily determined, while the k'=1,\ldots k'_{\text{max}} are constrained by the condition that x\in R.
 


fzero said:
The condition a x =0_R requires that a x = 2^4 5^3 k for some k. Looking at the prime factors in a leads us to conclude that x \in S have the form x_{k'}=2^m 5^n k'. m,n are easily determined, while the k'=1,\ldots k'_{\text{max}} are constrained by the condition that x\in R.

Could you please explain a bit more and maybe give some examples? Because I'm very confused... I think all of the elements which will be zero must be factors of 2000=2.52.17. I mean 850 x (something x k)=2000k' Do I need to try these:

400x 24.5 x k
200 x 23.52 k
1000 x 24.53 k

for different k's.
 


Since 850 = (2) (5^2) ( 17), we compute

a x_{k'} = 2^{m+1} 5^{n+2} 17 k' .

This is 0 (\mod 2000) if m=3,n=1, so

x_{k'} = 40 k'.

Note that (850)(40)=(17)(2000), so your intuition is correct. Since 17 is prime, 40 is the smallest integer for which this works. Now x_{50} = 2000 = 0_R gives us k'_{\text{max}}.
 

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