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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit $$\lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1}$$ given that $$\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x} = -\frac12$$. Participants are exploring the implications of substituting variables in limit expressions and the continuity of limits under such transformations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the steps taken to manipulate the limit expression and question the validity of substituting variables, particularly why the limit remains unchanged when transitioning from $$x$$ to $$u$$.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind variable substitution in limits. Some participants suggest that the identity of the variable does not affect the limit's value, while others seek further clarification on this point. The discussion remains open without a definitive consensus.

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Participants note that the original problem context involves understanding limits and the behavior of functions as they approach specific values. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding the implications of variable substitution in limit calculations.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying hard to understand as my professor hasn't taught(nor does my textbook) on how this works.

It is known that $$\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x} = -\frac12$$

Solve
$$\lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1}.$$

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The Attempt at a Solution


OK.. so I do this:
$$\begin{align}\lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1} &= \lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1}\cdot\frac{x^2+x+1}{x^2+x+1} \\ &= \lim_{x\to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x^3-1}(x^2+x+1) \\ &= \lim_{x\to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x^3-1}\lim_{x\to 1}(x^2+x+1) \\ &= \lim_{u\to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u}(3) \end{align}$$
$$(3)(-1/2)$$

Now my question is... why is it that $$lim_{u \to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u} = \lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x} = -\frac12 $$

I thought that the limit changes when you substitute variables? So when we substitute ##u = x^3 -1## the limit becomes u approaches 0 as when you substitute x=1 into the above, you get u = 0. Am I wrong on this??

Note that the answer is -3/2.
 
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Arnoldjavs3 said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying hard to understand as my professor hasn't taught(nor does my textbook) on how this works.

It is known that $$\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x} = -\frac12$$

Solve
$$\lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1}.$$

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


OK.. so I do this:
$$\begin{align}\lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1} &= \lim_{x \to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x-1}\cdot\frac{x^2+x+1}{x^2+x+1} \\ &= \lim_{x\to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x^3-1}(x^2+x+1) \\ &= \lim_{x\to 1}\frac{f(x^3-1)}{x^3-1}\lim_{x\to 1}(x^2+x+1) \\ &= \lim_{u\to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u}(3) \end{align}$$

Now my question is... why is it that $$lim_{u \to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u} = \lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x} = -\frac12 $$

I thought that the limit changes when you substitute variables? So when we substitute ##u = x^3 -1## the limit becomes u approaches 0 as when you substitute x=1 into the above, you get u = 0. Am I wrong on this??

Note that the answer is -3/2.
You may name the variable whatever you like:
Whether it's ##\lim_{u \to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u}\;## or ##\; \lim_{\text{ tree} \to 0}\frac{f(\text{tree})}{\text{tree}}\;## or ##\;\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x}##

Or wasn't that the question and it's about the previous steps?
 
fresh_42 said:
You may name the variable whatever you like:
Whether it's ##\lim_{u \to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u}\;## or ##\; \lim_{\text{ tree} \to 0}\frac{f(\text{tree})}{\text{tree}}\;## or ##\;\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)}{x}##

Or wasn't that the question and it's about the previous steps?

I was asking why is it that lim u-> 0 f(u)/u = lim x -> 0 f(x)/x in the last step of the solution.
 
It is simply the same, identical. First, ##u## is simply an abbreviation of ##x^3-1##. But then we forget about the origin of ##u##, because it doesn't matter anymore. Once we have it, we can concentrate on the expression ##\lim_{u \to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u}## and we are free to rename it.
If it feels better for you, then how about changing the given condition for ##f## to ##\lim_{v \to 0}\frac{f(v)}{v}=-\frac{1}{2}## and substitute another time ##v=u## at the end of the proof?
 
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fresh_42 said:
It is simply the same, identical. First, ##u## is simply an abbreviation of ##x^3-1##. But then we forget about the origin of ##u##, because it doesn't matter anymore. Once we have it, we can concentrate on the expression ##\lim_{u \to 0}\frac{f(u)}{u}## and we are free to rename it.
If it feels better for you, then how about changing the given condition for ##f## to ##\lim_{v \to 0}\frac{f(v)}{v}=-\frac{1}{2}## and substitute another time ##v=u## at the end of the proof?

If it is the same, then that's enough for me to know. Thanks!
 

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