Sun Local Hour Angle and Latitude

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The discussion focuses on solving for latitude (Lat) using the local hour angle (H), sun declination (Dec), and solar altitude angle (a) through a trigonometric equation. The user attempts to manipulate the equation by multiplying, squaring, and rearranging terms to form a quadratic equation in terms of sin(Lat). They seek clarification on how to express sin(Lat) and cos(Lat) in a more manageable form and explore the relationship between these trigonometric functions. The conversation highlights the challenge of isolating Lat while dealing with multiple trigonometric identities and the need for further assistance in solving the equation. Overall, the thread emphasizes the complexities of trigonometric manipulation in determining latitude from solar angles.
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Homework Statement



if:
H = Local Hour Angle
Lat = Latitude.
Dec = Sun Declination.

cos(H) = -sin(a)-sin(Lat)*sin(Dec) / cos(Lat)*cos(Dec)


I wand to get The value of Lat .

The Attempt at a Solution


I Tried to make it simple By :
1 - multiply both sides by the denominator
1- square both sides
2- Rewrite cos^2(L) as 1-sin^2(L)
3- Rearrange into a quadratic equation in sin(L).
And this is what I got:

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).Cos^2(L) = -Sin^2(a) - 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).(1-Sin^2(L) )= -Sin^2(a) - 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) - Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).Sin^2(L) = - Sin^2(a) - 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) = -Sin^2(a)- 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D) + Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).Sin^2(L)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) = -Sin^2(a)- 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L) . ( Sin^2(D) + Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) )

then I am Stuck can you help me please.
 
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So, is the problem asking you to solve the equation for Lat (or "L")?

As I read the equation, Lat appears in the form

sin(Lat) / cos(Lat)​

This can be replaced by a different, well-known trig function.
 
Yes I used L = Lat
can you tell me about the function that replace it
 
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can you tell me about the function that replace it
 
There are six standard, well-known trig functions. It is the one that is equivalent to

sin(θ) / cos(θ) = ___?​

Surely you know this?
 


may be I wrote the formula incorrectly

Cos H = \frac{sin(a)-sin(L)*Sin(D)}{Cos(L)*Cos(D)}

I want to get the value of sin(L)
 
cos(H) = \frac{sin(a)-sin(L)*sin(D)}{cos(L)*cos(D)}

cos(L) = \frac{sin(a)-sin(L)*sin(D)}{cos(H)*cos(D)}

cos(L) = \frac{sin(a)}{cos(H)*cos(D)} \; - \; \frac{sin(D)}{cos(H)*cos(D)}sin(L)

define constants A and B appropriately and the equation becomes:

cos(L) = A - B sin(L)

You could square both sides at this point, change cos2(L) to 1 - sin2(L) and solve the quadratic for sin(L).
 
Or Sin(L)=[Sin(a)-Cos(L)*Cos(H)*Cos(D)]/Sin(D)
 
RTW69 said:
Or Sin(L)=[Sin(a)-Cos(L)*Cos(H)*Cos(D)]/Sin(D)

How would that help? You've got a cos(L) on the RHS. You're trying to solve for L (eventually).
 
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You are correct, I should have read the problem statement a little closer.
 
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