Sunlight absorption spectrum and colors in sunlight

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of sunlight, specifically its absorption spectrum and the implications for the perception of color. Participants explore the relationship between wavelengths and colors, the significance of absorption lines in the solar spectrum, and the definition of "white light." The conversation includes both theoretical and conceptual aspects of light and color perception.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the black lines in the sunlight absorption spectrum indicate that certain wavelengths are missing, which could imply that sunlight does not contain all colors.
  • Others argue that the presence of absorption lines does not mean that those wavelengths are entirely absent; rather, there is just a reduction in intensity at those wavelengths.
  • A participant questions the distinction between 'all wavelengths' and 'all colors,' seeking clarification on what it means to perceive light as white.
  • There is a discussion about whether specific wavelengths, such as 650 nm, can be considered a color and how combinations of wavelengths contribute to color perception.
  • Some participants note that even at absorption wavelengths, there is still some light present, albeit at a lower intensity compared to adjacent wavelengths.
  • Technical details are provided regarding specific absorption lines, including those associated with sodium and hydrogen, and their relevance to the discussion of the solar spectrum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of absorption lines in the solar spectrum. There is no consensus on whether the presence of these lines means sunlight lacks certain colors or wavelengths, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions of color and white light.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the relationship between wavelengths and colors, and the discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and interpretations of light perception. There are also unresolved questions about how absorption lines are represented in recordings and their implications for understanding sunlight.

Karagoz
Hi.

In physics articles, they say that sun light is white, and contain all colors.

But they show say that the Sun's atmosphere absorb light at certain wavelengths, causing the intensity of the light at this wavelength to drop and appear dark.

And the absorption spectrum looks like this:

Fraunhofer_lines_From_Wikipedia.png


Does those black lines on the sun light spectrum show that the sunlight that reach the Earth doesn't contain all colors?
 
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Can you describe your understanding of what is the difference between 'all wavelengths' and 'all colours'?
 
But if all visible wavelengths are not contained in sunlight, doesn't it mean also that all colors are not contained in that sunlight?
 
You haven't answered my question. I'm not trying to be clever here, nor mean - I'm just asking you to try and define what it means to see all colours. What it means to perceive light as white?
Is 650 nm a colour? Is a combination of two discrete wavelengths a colour?
 
Karagoz said:
Does those black lines on the sun light spectrum show that the sunlight that reach the Earth doesn't contain all colors?

I'll assume here that OP is asking whether sunlight contains all wavelengths in the visible spectrum (realizing there is a technical difference between wavelengths and colors). The black lines are indeed wavelengths that are missing from the solar spectrum. Substances in the sun are absorbing those wavelengths from the continuous spectrum of light generated in the sun.
 
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pixel said:
The black lines are indeed wavelengths that are missing from the solar spectrum.
There are not, though (in general). Absorption lines do not mean that that wavelength was entirely removed - there's just less of it than we'd normally expect.
 
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The atomic absorption lines are narrow enough in ## \Delta \lambda ## that they do not block what could be considered an entire color. The wavelength of 650 nm (that might be blocked) is essentially the same color as the wavelengths 651-655 nm. The question the OP is asking is really splitting hairs. In making the statement "sunlight contains all the colors of the visible spectrum", I don't think any qualifying statements or disclaimers need to be included. And even at these absorption wavelengths, there is still some light at those wavelengths. It is simply dimmer than the adjacent wavelengths. ## \\ ## And just an item of interest: What are two very prominent absorption lines in the spectrum right at ## \lambda =589.0\, nm ## and ## \lambda =589.6 \, nm ## are no doubt the Na =sodium absorption lines. A sodium arc lamp radiates very strongly at these wavelengths. A couple of the other absorption lines would be due to electronic transitions in the hydrogen atom. These include ## \lambda=410.1, 434.0, 486.1, ## and ## 656.2 \, nm ##. Some additional googling gives the results that these are known as the Fraunhofer absorption lines in the solar spectrum, and a complete table of these lines with the associated atom was found in one article.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
There are not, though (in general). Absorption lines do not mean that that wavelength was entirely removed - there's just less of it than we'd normally expect.

Right, and the form of the absorption line depends on the resolution of the recording instrument. So even if all of a particular wavelength were removed, it might not appear that way in the recording as light from nearby wavelengths will encroach.
 

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