Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (SMES)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (SMES), focusing on its applications, energy retention, and operational characteristics. Participants explore its potential as a backup power source, energy loss mechanisms, and operational requirements.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Matt questions whether SMES devices can function as backup power sources during outages, similar to generators, given their energy storage capacity.
  • There is a query about energy loss in SMES systems, specifically if they lose energy over time and the factors affecting this loss.
  • Another point raised concerns whether SMES devices require a ramp-up period to reach necessary magnetic field strength, akin to MRI systems.
  • One participant asserts that SMES do not lose energy due to resistance, but notes that energy is needed for refrigeration to maintain superconducting temperatures.
  • A later reply references a source indicating that while the magnetic field does not persist indefinitely, it decays slowly due to a small residual resistance in the superconducting windings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on energy retention in SMES devices, with some asserting no energy loss while others acknowledge a decay mechanism. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of energy loss and operational characteristics.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about energy loss, the definitions of terms like "residual resistance," and the specifics of operational requirements for SMES devices.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in energy storage technologies, superconductivity, and applications of SMES in power systems.

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I cam across SMES (Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage) while researching superconducting and had a few questions I'm hoping to have answered.

1. I have read that SMES devices are primary used in the event for short interruptions in power, and aiding in efficiency in the power grid. Can a SMES device be used like a back up battery in the event of a power outage similar to a back up generator kicking in? Considering some can hold MWH worth of energy I would think that if power went out the SMES device could kick in and provide the back up power needed until it was depleted or the power was restored.

2. Since SMES use superconducting in a way similar to an MRI (superconducting loop) to create a magnetic field to store energy do they loose any of that energy? If so, how much and over what time frame.

3. Do SMES devices need to be ramp-up, again similar to an MRI to reach a field strength or is that irreverent?

thanks for the help,
Matt R.
 
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Welcome to PF Matt. We prefer it if you include a link to what you have been reading. Please post the link before we answer.
 
MattR said:
Since SMES use superconducting in a way similar to an MRI (superconducting loop) to create a magnetic field to store energy do they loose any of that energy? If so, how much and over what time frame.
They do not lose energy; there is no resistance. However, it does require energy for the refrigeration to keep them at superconducting temperatures.
 
anorlunda said:
Welcome to PF Matt. We prefer it if you include a link to what you have been reading. Please post the link before we answer.

Sure no problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnet#Persistent_mode
Go down until persistent mode. The end of that paragraph reads:

"The winding current, and the magnetic field, will not actually persist forever, but will decay slowly according to a normal inductive (L/R) time constant:
H ( t ) = H 0 e − ( R / L ) t
where R is a small residual resistance in the superconducting wingdings due to joints or a phenomenon called flux motion resistance. Nearly all commercial superconducting magnets are equipped with persistent switches."

SMES links:
https://www.windpowerengineering.com/electrical/power-storage/say-hello-smes-superconducting-magnetic-energy-storage-system/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnetic_energy_storage
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/423227/superconducting-magnets-for-grid-scale-storage/
 
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