Superselection rules and non-observable Hermitian operators

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The discussion revolves around the concept of superselection rules in quantum mechanics and their implications for Hermitian operators as physical observables. Participants explore the constraints imposed by superselection rules on the structure of observables within the Hilbert space, particularly focusing on the separation of observables into distinct sectors based on the properties of the states involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that superselection rules imply that not all Hermitian operators can be considered physical observables, but the reasoning behind this is questioned.
  • One participant explains that superselection rules impose physical constraints on observables, using the example of fermions and bosons being out of phase after a full rotation, which leads to the separation of observable operators into distinct superselection sectors.
  • Another participant posits that any operator that cannot be decomposed into these sectors should not represent an observable.
  • A further point is made regarding the "spin selection rule," which states that superpositions of states with half-integer and integer spins cannot exist, thereby restricting the operators that can represent observables, particularly the Hamiltonian.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of superselection rules for Hermitian operators, with some agreeing on the necessity of decomposition into sectors for observability, while others question the clarity of this relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these rules.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the lack of clarity on the specific conditions under which certain operators may or may not be considered observables, as well as the dependence on definitions of superselection sectors and the nature of the states involved.

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Its usually said(like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superselectiond ) that superselection rules imply that not all Hermitian operators can be considered to be physical observables. But I don't understand how that follows. Can someone explain?
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Superselection means that some form of physical constraint is imposed on the general structure of observables on the Hilbert space.

As an example, the geometry of spacetime implies that rotating a system by one full cycle must not change any properties of the system. The double cover representations in quantum theory however may introduce a phase shift upon such an operation.

Fermions and Bosons will therefore be out of phase after such a rotation has been performed. Since nothing observable (in the future or the past) may change, the Hamiltonian, and with it all measurable quantities, may not depend on any phase difference between a Fermionic and a Bosonic component of the state. The two realisations of the permutation group are therefore said to live in separate superselection sectors. The observable operators then separate into a direct sum of operators on each sector.

Hoper this helps!

Jazz
 
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Jazzdude said:
The observable operators then separate into a direct sum of operators on each sector.
So it implies that any operator which can't be decomposed that way, should not represent an observable. Right?
 
Shyan said:
So it implies that any operator which can't be decomposed that way, should not represent an observable. Right?
Yes.
 
You can put it also a bit differently and say a superselection rule constrains the possible superpositions of states. One example is the "spin selection rule". In usual quantum theory you cannot make superpositions of a state with half-integer and integer spin. Suppose you do so, i.e., having, e.g., ##s_1=1/2## and ##s_2=0## and consider the state
$$|\psi \rangle=|1/2,-1/2 \rangle+|1,-1 \rangle,$$
then the rotation around the ##z## axis by ##2 \pi## does not give ##\exp(\mathrm{i} \varphi) |\psi \rangle## for any real ##\varphi##.

Then of course you have a restriction on the possible operators, representing observables, particularly the Hamiltonian: Such an operator must not mix any half-integer spin state with an integer-spin state and vice versa.
 
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