Surface Integral - 2 methods give different answer

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The discussion revolves around a surface integral problem involving parametrization in spherical coordinates. The original poster expresses confusion regarding discrepancies between their computed integral and a solution manual, particularly concerning the powers of r in the integrand.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the parametrization of the surface and the calculation of the differential area element dA. Questions arise about the correct formulation of dA and the presence of an extra factor of r in the expressions for dS.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made in the derivation of dA and dS. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the parametrization and the area elements, but no consensus has been reached on the source of the discrepancy.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and roles of dA and dS in the context of the surface integral, with some participants noting potential misunderstandings about the integration setup.

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Thanks for checking this out. Here's the problem:
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I attempted to do it by using parametrize it into spherical coordinate.

r(r,t) = (x= cost, y= sint, z=r)
dS=|r_{u} x r_{v}| dA = r\sqrt{2} dA
dA = rdrdt

\int\intx^{2}z^{2}dS = \int\int\sqrt{2} cos^{2} r^{6} drdt

I check my solution manual and this is how they do it. My integral has r^{6} factor. However, solution's only has r^{5} instead. I am very confused because these two are supposed to be from the same source...
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destroyer130 said:
r(r,t) = (x= cost, y= sint, z=r)
dS=|r_{u} x r_{v}| dA = r\sqrt{2} dA
dA = rdrdt

There is one r too many here. dS = |ru x rv| dr dθ
 
clamtrox said:
There is one r too many here. dS = |ru x rv| dr dθ

Oh, so why dA not equal to rdrdt in this case?
 
destroyer130 said:
Oh, so why dA not equal to rdrdt in this case?

Why would it be? What is dA anyway?
 
Based on parametric equation, if x = rcosθ, y=rsinθ, then dA = r dr dθ
In my homework case: dS = |ru x rv| dA = |ru x rv| r dr dθ
so that why somehow there is r^1 excess? but idk what r is excess?
 
destroyer130 said:
Based on parametric equation, if x = rcosθ, y=rsinθ, then dA = r dr dθ
In my homework case: dS = |ru x rv| dA = |ru x rv| r dr dθ
so that why somehow there is r^1 excess? but idk what r is excess?

When you are using the formula |ru x rv| dA you don't add the 'volume' part (r) to dr dθ in dA. You'll automatically get that factor from the |ru x rv|.
 
Okay, thanks so much for your help :)
 

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