Surface Integral: Evaluating Double Integral of f.n ds on Sphere

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral of the form [double integral]f.n ds, where f is defined as xi+yj-2zk and S represents the surface of a sphere defined by x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2, specifically above the x-y plane.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of handling the upper and lower hemispheres separately and explore the projection of the sphere onto the x-y plane. There are attempts to manipulate the integrand and questions about integrating specific expressions, particularly when converting to polar coordinates.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants suggesting the use of the divergence theorem, while others express concerns about the constraints of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the symmetry in the problem, leading to differing opinions on the necessity of finding an anti-derivative.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original question explicitly requested not to use the divergence theorem, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate [double integral]f.n ds where f=xi+yj-2zk and S is the surface of the sphere x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2 above x-y plane.


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I know that the sphere's orthogonal projection has to be taken on the x-y plane,but I'm having trouble with the integration.
 
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Of course, you will have to do upper and lower hemispheres separately. One way to get the projection into the xy-plane is to find the gradient of x2+ y2+z2, 2xi+ 2yj+ 2zk, and "normalize by dividing by 2z: (x/z)i+ (y/z)j+ k. Then n dS is (x/z)i+ (y/z)j+ k dxdy.
f.n dS is ((x2/z)+ (y2/z)- 2z) dxdy. I think I would rewrite that as ((x2/z)+ (y2/z)+ z- 3z) dxdy= ((x2+ y2+ z2)/z- 3z) dxdy= (a^2/z- 3z)dxdy. Now, for the upper hemisphere, [itex]z= \sqrt{a^2- x^2- y^2}[/itex] while for the negative hemisphere it is the negative of that. Because your integrand is an odd function of z, I think the symmetry of the sphere makes this obvious.

Finally, do you know the divergence theorem?
[tex]\int\int_T\int (\nabla \cdot \vec{v}) dV= \int\int_S (\vec{v} \cdot \vec{n}) dS[/tex]
where S is the surface of the three dimensional region T. Here [itex]\nabla\cdot f[/itex] is very simple and, in fact, you don't have to do an integral at all! I wouldn't be surprized to see this as an exercise in a section on the divergence theorem.
 
I know this is a bit embarrassing for me,but how d'you integrate
(a^2/z- 3z)dxdy .After having substituted for z,and converted to polar co-ordinates,I get zero in the denominator!

This is the expression:
[double integral]a^2/(sqrt(a^2-x^2-y^2)) dx dy.
For conversion to polar co-ords,if I substitute x=a cos(theta) and
y=a sin(theta),the denominator becomes zero.

(Thanks a lot for the help anyway:smile: )
 
Why bother to find an anti-derivative? The function is odd in z and the region of integration is symmetric about the origin- the integral is 0.

My point about the divergence theorem is that [itex]\nabla \cdot (x\vec{i}+y\cdot\vec{j}-2z\vec{k}) = 1+ 1- 2= 0[/tex]! The integral of that over any region is 0![/itex]
 
Thanks a lot.:smile:
(The question did ask not to use divergence theorem,by the way)
 
Did it say you couldn't?:rolleyes:
 

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